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Yasou. Selam. Merhaba. etc etc etc... What you all fail to realise is there were no borders between us all, thousands of years ago. We all spoke in totally different languages than we do now. The only thing that is seperating us all is borders, languages and our governments. I love all TURKS, AZERIS, ARMENIANS, IRANIANS, PASHTUNS, AFGHANIS, ARABS, PAKISTANIS, KURDS, GREEKS and any other race which is from that area. You are all my brothers and sisters. I am part Kurdish, Persian and Azeri. (Believe it or not, its true.) and one of my closest friends is Armenian. I am going to become a journalist for the middle-east soon and I am going to learn all the languages of that area because I am fascinated by my ancestry. Basically you all have to realise that we all come from the same area therefore we all brothers and sisters. Its hard to explain but I understand you are all hurt by the decisions of our Governments, but you must realise that these are the governments and not the people of the country which make a living. There are many ways that we are connected for instance: Nearly all the languages of my love Middle-East say: Dunya= World Jan,Jaan & Can= Life Dost= Friend There are many words which are the same but I cant think of them now. The people are not the enemy, its our corrupt governments and its a huge country which has caused us all to hate each other and that is the USA. So If we put our hands together and unite ourselves like Europe has we can be as successful and as powerful as the USA. I hope I have been able to make sense. Peace in the middle-east, my middle-east (Not Americas) Sam
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Black Garden: Armenia and Azerbaijan Through Peace and War Ready To Buy? Our price: $35.00 OR Also Available Internationally OR Bookmark it! By: Thomas De Waal Publisher: New York University Press Sales Rank: 67,031 Media: Hardcover Release Date: May, 2003 Availability: Usually ships within 24 hours Customer Reviews Average customer rating: A Rare Portrait of an Historic Region There are very few books published on Karabagh (Artsakh). The author discusses the events leading up to the war from both Armenian and Azerbaijani perspectives. Unlike other books which tend to be dry historical accounts, this book presents the rich culture and history of the region and how and what conditions led to the war and what possibilities if any exist for peace in the region. Highly recommended. Book by Tom de Waal (Reviewed in April 2003) The book is a major milestone in the Western scholarship on Karabakh. It is probably the only serious work that attempts to take a balanced view of the conflict, and it mostly succeeds, occasionally at the expense of accuracy. The book's strength is in the many dozens of interviews de Waal conducted on both sides of the conflict line with politicians, military commanders and regular people affected by the war and its aftermath. He may also be the first to research Politburo archives from the 1980s that have just recently become available. It must have been hard work but it paid off, producing probably the most complete Western narrative of the Karabakh conflict that casts aside many of the popular conspiracies about the conflict and highlights the largely spontaneous nature of history in the Caucasus. De Waal's is also a very readable book and does not merely regurgitate the chronology of events.In his study of the conflict, De Waal reaches two key conclusions: - The Karabakh conflict was not engineered by Moscow (as is still widely believed). It started on the ground between Armenians and Azeris, and Soviet leadership tried but failed to contain it. Conflict became possible though in part because USSR conserved nationalism in the republics. On top of mutual acrimony dating to early 20th century and before, Armenia and Azerbaijan remained competitors throughout Soviet history and tensions over Karabakh flared even under Stalin. Both sides had grievances, felt insecure and turned to arms and aggression in what they both saw as self-defense. - While the Armenian-Azerbaijani war had been nasty and brutal, the conflict can be resolved through confidence building measures, including economic cooperation. One such step could be the opening of Baku-Nakhichevan-Yerevan railway that would benefit both sides. While de Waal keeps his distance and leaves the details of a settlement for the parties to work out, one element of the solution is clear: Nagorno Karabakh cannot be subordinated to Azerbaijan. Heydar Aliyev, the strongman of Azerbaijan now fading from its political scene, appears to have understood this as well, but stumbled in the effort to bring peace to his people. De Waal's other achievement is identification and dismissal of several erroneous but commonly cited beliefs about the Karabakh war, promoted by Azerbaijan and frequently adopted by mainstream reporters and even some foreign governments. In the Appendix to the book, he discusses some of them. Azerbaijan claims that 20 percent of its territory is under occupation. De Waal finds, independently of earlier research (see for example http://groong.usc.edu/ro/ro- 19970917.html), that in reality less than 14 percent of Soviet Azerbaijani territory is under Armenian control. Of the 14 percent, 5 percent is the territory of Nagorno Karabakh proper and cannot be considered under "occupation." Another Azerbaijani claim is that the war displaced over 1 million Azeris. In reality, around 700,000 Azerbaijanis and over 400,000 Armenians were displaced as a direct result of the conflict. De Waal also addresses Azerbaijan's official effort to rewrite history of Karabakh and entire Armenia. (An Israeli journalist Yo'av Karny was probably the first Western journalist to discuss this problem in his book "The Highlanders" published in 2000.) The Azerbaijani historiography purports that all of present-day Armenia, including Karabakh, is a "historically Azerbaijani territory" and its Christian monuments belonged to the Caucasian Albanian culture. In reality, the Albanian culture was largely absorbed by Armenians centuries before first Turkic descendants of Azerbaijanis arrived in the Caucasus. Finally, Azerbaijanis insist that the Armenian victory in the war was a result of Russian assistance. In reality, Russia alternatively helped and put pressure on both sides and de Waal carefully documents that. But Armenians appeared to have greater will to defend their homes and did a better job organizing and harnessing their resources. With the many successes, the book does have inaccuracies and omissions. In an apparent effort to seek balance in terms of violence done to both sides, de Waal relies heavily on Baku researcher Arif Yunusov for figures on anti- Azeri violence in Armenia and the so-called "Kapan incidents," to juxtapose them to well-documented anti- Armenian pogroms in Sumgait and Baku. In the late 1980s, Yunusov was charged by the Azerbaijani Communist Party leadership with creating a revisionist narrative justifying the anti-Armenian violence in Azerbaijan. Some of Yunusov's contradictory claims were investigated and proven fraudulent already at that time. But de Waal appears to be blindly endorsing Yunusov's insinuations. De Waal also overlooks the threats made by Soviet Azeri officials that preceded the anti-Armenian violence in Azerbaijan which suggests their organized or officially instigated nature. Another aspect of the early stages of the conflict is the alleged role played by Heydar Aliyev, Azerbaijan's Soviet-era leader who was forced to retire from the Politburo in 1987. Aliyev's allies are believed to have instigated some of the worst anti-Armenian violence and subsequently led the Azeri nationalist movement. De Waal also gives only a passing reference to Azerbaijani efforts to internationalize the war by bringing in a motley crew of Afghan, Chechen, Russian and Turkish mercenaries to join the war, most Azerbaijanis themselves were unwilling to fight. Speaking on his U.S. book tour earlier this year, de Waal agreed that a resumption of war, as often threatened by Azerbaijani officials, would be devastating. To gain even a few kilometers, thousands of Azerbaijani youths would have to die, he said, but the "factor of stupidity" cannot be ruled out. De Waal urged a renewed push for negotiations, although he conceded that the current environment is not conducive to resolution. In the absence of such an environment, the current peace, which de Waal argues is "bad," may be the best possible arrangement for both parties today. Forced Juxtaposition in the Black Garden Black Garden attempts to objectively analyze and chronicle events before, during, and after the war between Armenia and the Armenians of Nagorno-Karabakh on one side, and Azerbaijan, on the other. The conflict was the most severe eruption of ethnic violence during the last days of the Soviet Union. This truggle of self-determination versus territorial integrity temporarily concluded with a truce in May of 1994.This book is based on a preponderance of data, much of which, unfortunately, is incomplete. De Waal assumes that no comprehensive non-partisan archive or compilation of events exists, which is why he felt this book was necessary. He uses the forced juxtaposition of seemingly related events to present the illusion of neutrality and moral equivalence. With information not readily available, a generally well-informed reader is lead down a path of comfort in the assumption that someone else has provided facts and analysis. As a result, this book has already beguiled many, as demonstrated by their reviews. De Waal forces a side-to-side comparison of seemingly equivalent events, including war crimes, in the name of "two-sides to any issue". This is a technique employed when one is not willing to take sides, or when further, in-depth research will lead to an inevitable hard conclusion. When events clearly don't lend themselves to such manipulation, de Waal does an admirable job. This is evident in his treatment of facts such as Azerbaijanis cashing in personal items, enhancing Azerbaijan's ability to purchase arms above those agreed to internationally (page 198), and the role of the Russian forces on both sides of this conflict. The author asks the reader to evaluate his book as a whole with a neutral viewpoint; however, his conclusions are far from neutral. His widespread use of forced juxtaposition is compelling enough to label de Waal partisan. De Waal requires parity for the February 1988 anti-Armenian pogroms in Sumgait, Azerbaijan. Upon failing to find any organized pogroms of Azerbaijanis in Armenia, he turns to anti-German violence in East London in 1915, after the sinking of the Lusitania (page 44) as a contrasting event. Once again, further research has shown that in the weeks prior to the Sumgait pogroms, Azerbaijani officials in Sumgait distributed addresses of Armenians to local henchmen. This clearly qualifies these acts as premeditated murder with the connivance of local authorities. The Sumgait events can be evaluated on their own merits. Had he done so, de Waal would be required to actually reach a conclusion. De Waal compares the circa 1990 desecration of the Armenian cathedral in Baku by the Azerbaijanis with the subsequent destruction, by Armenians, of a small, unused mosque in Yerevan (pages 79-80). In parallel, this inappropriate comparison is obfuscated by de Waal's discounting Armenia's reconstruction of Yerevan's Blue Mosque. Having seen both mosques, it is clear that further research would have lead de Waal to either dumping this topic, or reaching the conclusion that his choice of parity in desecration is not appropriate. When de Waal's research on the Azerbaijani historian Ziya Bunyatov concludes that his writing is inflammatory, he chooses to compare this Director of the Oriental Institute of the Azerbaijan Academy of Sciences and Azerbaijani national hero of the time to a Glasnost-era Armenian journalist Zori Balayan - pointing out they have the same initials. Further investigation would have shown that in the years preceding the conflict, Bunyatov's translation of a number of original texts about the region had systematically removed the noun "Armenian" from the translation, or simply omitted entire sections. Also, De Waal cannot seem to find comparable figure anywhere in dynastic Azerbaijan to equate with the warlord like figure of Samvel Babayan in Nagorno-Karabakh, so he finds the Chechen Samil Basaev - again, two people with the same initials. Forced juxtaposition is used in the Black Garden various ways depending upon the caliber of the event. If the event is relatively innocuous, parity is presented on the same page or even in the same paragraph. At other times the comparison spans pages or chapters. This is very evident when de Waal characterizes the Turkish genocide of the Armenians as a unilateral Armenian claim (page 75, confirmed in note 5), thus denying it from having any role or basis for actions associated with national survival or self-determination of the Armenians. He contrasts this with an unsubstantiated Azerbaijani genocide counter-claim of 2.5 million people by Armenians over the span of 200 years. This is an interesting technique both; in not taking a position on genocide, and in forcing equivalence with an invalid Azerbaijani claim. Ignoring facts and giving the reader the illusion of neutrality generates a skewed perception of reality. At the end, de Waal takes the unfortunate position that international recognition of the genocide of the Armenians discourages peace (page 277). This clearly partisan stance is finally stated some 200 pages after the issue of the genocide was first introduced. The process of forced correlation reaches a wasteful level with the entire tenth chapter, which is dedicated to contradictory historical claims, between Azerbaijani and Armenian historians, regarding Caucasian Albanians (no relation to Balkan Albanians), the pre-Islamic inhabitants of areas immediately east of Armenia. De Waal dedicates 13 pages to finally establish that this topic was a non-issue, concluding that it took a New Jersey-based professor to confirm that the Azerbaijani claims are groundless. De Waal would be much more credible by actually giving the events chronicled the required level of analysis. He heavily implies that the mutilation of the dead or dying is something contemporary Armenians and Azerbaijanis learned from the Armenian guerilla leader Antranik in 1918 (pages 168-169). De Waal's precluded research on the Turkish genocide of the Armenians shows that it was common for the Turkish murderers of Armenian women to cut off their nipples, dead or alive - those with more carried bragging rights. Dehumanizing one's perceived enemy this way has its origins deep in human history, and is not a twentieth century Armenian, Turkish, or Azerbaijani invention. Avoiding evaluation of events, ideologies, etc., on their own merits assumes there is no right or wrong, only a continuum of events in human relations. The practice of forced parity serves those who are unwilling by choice or unable by circumstance to engage in an in-depth analysis of events. This method allows one not to take a position on the Nazi Holocaust of European Jews by equating it with claims that more Germans died than did Jews during the same general period. Such claims may be true in isolation, but cannot be juxtaposed, nor are they equivalent. De Waal's utopian proposal (page 283), based on a song from an eighteenth century Armenian troubadour, Sayat Nova, calling for Georgian rule and lingua Azerbaijani as the formula for achieving nirvana in the Caucasus, is taken out of context. A more vigorous study on Sayat Nova chronicles that the Qajar Prince Agha Mohammed Khan, an Azerbaijani, was responsible for his death in 1795 during an invasion of the region. Peace can only be achieved through an understanding of events and their causes, not by wishfully granting "parity" to each side. The likely result of de Waal's Black Garden is to stiffen the resolve of the belligerents by obfuscation of the historical record.

robo

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I can understand if an Armenian diaspora person gets nasty here and vomits his inferiorty complex against us Turks. They are so. No discussion. But I can not understand if a Turk comes here and gets the same level and does the same sh... I know Armenians if they are not from France or USA they are quite nice guys. Guys do not believe in legends you create do not talk about things you did not experience. Let the historicans talk. My grandmothers mother and her sister is killed by tashnak partizans because thet were Turks. I do not hate any armenian for that, you know who I hate ...I hate those stupid french or USA assholes. Just bullshitting around. ARE YOU FUCKING BLIND ON ONE EYE?? You started with the shit we ended it with other shit. Thats it. Do not exggerate the numbers of deaths... be cool open all archives and LET THE HISTORICANS WORK!

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Hi to all Armenians here. I just started reading this site and I liked it. u know y. Coz u guys dicussing questions wich is very helpfull for both countries Armenia and azebadjan's people, students and etc. So evryone can know what happened. I t doesn't mean if I'm Armenian I'm gonna kill u (azerbadjan) But all azebadjani people have to know the truth and accept as truth. I'm Armenian I was born in Armenia. All my life I'm almost been there. I'm agree that GENOCIDE is happend back to 1915. turky must pay for it. only two words ONE DAY. And whole world knows that turkys littel sisters r azeris. Robo Varo and others I support to reach to our goal. this so for I'll talk to u guys letter azerbadjani narod umbesh hektar pamidor shitillar, Armyani gyaldi vse sabirayut kitti.

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hey cemal akay..� fuck your mother and your origiONS..yor people...give us our lands...give the SOUTHEAST turkey to kurds..give the northeast to arms...hey bitch turk...� fuck your ATATURK...I FUCK YOUR NAT�ON..MOTHER FUCKER B�TCH BOY..�F ARMS SAY ...YES ONE DAY WE CAN BE FR�ENDS W�TH TURKS....THEY ARE BAD L�KE YOU.....HEY L�STEN FORGET ARMS..G�VE US OUR LANDS..�F YOU DONT G�VE OUR LANDS..YOUR BAB�ES W�LL BE UNHAPPY..L�STEN WE KURDS,GREEKS,BULGAR�ANS,�TAL�ANS,ENG�SH,FRANCE PEOPLE,SEARB�ANS....YOU MUST G�VE OUR LANDS..�F YOU WANT TO GO EUROPE....

hey cemal akay..� fuck your mother and your origionc..yor people...give us our lands...give the eastwest turkey to kurds..give the northeast to arms...hey bitch turk...� fuck your ATATURK...I FUCK YOUR NAT�ON..MOTHER FUCKER B�TCH BOY..�F ARMS SAY ...YES ONE DAY WE CAN BE FR�ENDS W�TH TURKS....THEY ARE BAD L�KE YOU.....HEY L�STEN FORGET ARMS..G�VE US OUR LANDS..�F YOU DONT G�VE OUR LANDS..YOUR BAB�ES W�LL BE UNHAPPY..L�STEN WE KURDS,GREEKS,BULGAR�ANS,�TAL�ANS,ENG�SH,FRANCE PEOPLE,SEARB�ANS....YOU MUST G�VE OUR LANDS..�F YOU WANT TO GO EUROPE....

burada elini kalem alan tum unsurlar hastadir bu unsurlar ne ermeni ne turk nede baska uluslari temsil hakki vardir bugun ve gelecekte basta ermeni ve turk ulusu olarak tum halklar kardestir kardes kalacaktir bir kac hasta unsurun dusmanlik tohumlarini insanlik izin vermeyecektir butun dinler ve halklarin tarihi buna sahitdir yasasin halklarin kardesligi yasasin ne mutlu insanim diyene

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casey!!! I can see you are new here

well, i wanna tell something to the latino guys here. that stuff between turks and armenians is not your business! okay! you guys have to more consider what the spanish people did to you! think about your history! what happened to the aztecs? or maya??? etc. okay you don't nothing! but don't believe the fucking lies of that people! Sizi pic tohumlara sizi! vallahi kafamizi bozmayin yoksa hepinizin k�k�n� kaziriz! d�nyanin hangi bir tarafina kac saniz da, yakalayip sikeriz! sizi ermeni picleri sizi, lan daha akillanmadinizmi!

hi, this is my first time to this site and i was hoping to get to meet some other armenians because i dont know any except in my family. I understand that there is anger between cultures and it can make us all hate for a long time, but, the way you guys are talking to eachother is like there is something YOU can do about the way the world is or like YOU fighting will ever change anything. unless any of us get involved in politics, none of our opinions will ever make a difference. so right now, all your doing is building up hate within your own selve that will only hurt YOU and YOUR SOUL in the long run. there is no more room in this world for people that think that fighting is the way to solve everything. if it wasnt for the hatred and greed in the world, none of us would be as miserabe as we are. so please... chill, smoke a joint if you must, but stop fighting because until you really stand up and make a difference, all your doing is making a bunch of ear peircing, irrelivant noise. thanks, casey kirby

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yes,I dont hate turks.we are friends.Hate takes us nowhere. Lets love eachother.and lets see the world beatiful. Peace my brothers

We aint hate Turks.Whatever, lets become friends

This fight, and these words will take us nowhere. HATE �S BAD MY ARMEN�AN FR�ENDS AND WE DONT HATE ANYBODY. WE WANT TO LOVE EVERYONE.JUST LET US LOVE YOU. PEACE

armenians are pathetic, u think u are something but u are nothing but a bunch of loosers that lives in the past, hahaha i really pitty u guys

You filthy fucking armenians

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Hi, Virginia. Nice to see you here.

hallo alles Armenniers friends ik ben van holland. Ik haou alles armeniers van de Wereld.

you have got to be shitting me..now you are going to conquer IRAN? let me guess azeris were there before the persians too right? why not rise up from being a third world oppressive, censored country first

Olivia thats just the poin our measaly 3 million won a war with ryour crap country of 10 million and turkey on the other side..id just shut up and spare myself the embarassment.

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stupidity is a gift from the gods..............I hope you all enjoy it.................assholes!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!

Too dumb to speak English? Where are you from? Look at the leaders of the free countries, look at the leaders of the world. I don't think I would let them hold my balls (and I mean my superballs, not my actual balls).

Love is a wonderful thing. Ignorance is bliss. I guess everyone on this site has both. enjoy your stupidity!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

YASASIN AZERBAYCAN, YASASIN TURK MILLET AMA �LUM OLSUN ERMENIYE VE ERMENISTANA. The day will come when we will crush you guys, we are 40 millon, how many are you guys? ha ha ha Just wait till Azerbaycan has gotten back all its territories from all occupiers, Iran will be ours and not only karabax but entire Armenia ha ha ha

Hey people nice site! i love it but i wish everyone got along together instead of all the foul language and degrading each other! But overall looks good i like the site!!!

xxgmxx2004@yahoo.com

Fuck the Turky and its people, for not commiting their crimes.

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Garnikv@.com

too dumb to speak english? it must be so hard being in your position, if i was a stupid azeri id act like you too....

Ermeni qehbeleri..sizin ananizi sikim...petuxlar..menim Babam sizin analarinizin yarisini tutub sikib e...belke de siz onun torumunnan emele gelmisiniz..

Fuck``All``Armenian

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Hallo All Armenians, I am from Kharpert (Elazig Armenia). Sory ik speerk niet Engels, mijn taal is Nederlands. Parevumem amen Hayer. Yes aprumem Turkia sirumem amen Hayer.

Privet...vassup..ko tatike chaxa..LOL jk uff inch vora parap mernumem du inches anum? vapshem...barev hyer jan mernem dzer boyin...turkeri mor gluxnere taxem.hye em yes hye es du vai ko tsave tanem yes YES...vinnie pooxe barevuma....ara hela seran nay ara..KAKMECH bozzulik es tatmer@ tsav cov gyada. hajoxutsoon

� fuck haydar aliyev....die bitch cominist....

oh and how exactly is kocharian losing karabagh when we still control it and everyone living there is armenian, and your country that is almost 3 times as large as ours in land and in population cant do anything about it....im just curious.

if you sounded even a little intelligent, it mgiht be worth talking to you. your media is not censored? thats funny every international organization says it is. i didnt say he stole your oil...he stole the money from the oil...did you read the damn article? your country is poor...dont make me laugh. good, make money off oil so your leaders can keep stealing it, and aliyev can keep gambling in and losing it. only in azerbeijan would you "elect" a gamling addict. it just shows how poor you are that you are dreaming of the day your corrpt leaders will stop stealing the oil money and spend it on social reforms like armenia is doing.

Officials from at least two Western election observer delegations, including the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE), said boxes had been stuffed with phoney ballots, though the extent of the fraud was not clear. here is part of the article i want you to read, heres the rest-----http://www.cnn.com/2000/ASIANOW/central/11/05/azerbaijan.election.reut/

I live in AMERICA and at least ill admit that maybe there was some fraud inthe elction in armenia, but you are that naive that u wont even admit it.

are you kidding me??? do you know how much criticism and speculation there is about votig fraud in that election and about people not trusting his son...please look at online articles about it because since your media is censored tey wont tell you the truth...you know that your media in censored right?

Whaaaat the heeeel r uuu talking about foolish head. u really think that someone else like Isa Gambar or else had to be elected instead of Ilham Aloyev. listen up i already told u. loook how many people went to the funeral. as a fact they said today in tv, more than 3 million people have gone to the funeral, and it is still continuing now. how dare u say that his son was not elected. his son made Azerbaijan become the 31st in Olimpics, wher we got 2 gold one bronze. we became the 1st in karate in entire world, same in teakwondo. we r so good these days in wrestling. all this is thanx to his son, who has financed and mutually has given support to our nation and sport. look he was elected the VICE PRESIDENT OF THE EUROPEAN COUNCIL. and u armenians after that decision was made left the meeting as u were ashamed to call him when u want to make speech as Mr Ilham Aliyev. here we gooo, thats who is Ilham Aliyev. he is the one who made it clear in European Council that armenia is an aggressor, and uu have occupied Karabax. why shuld the nation not like him. i think is ur media where u get ur info from very censored. everything is in front of our eyes. Heydar Aliyev put some people in jail becaus ethey were the traitors of their nation. and even he has released many of them to freedom. there is no evidence that he is corrupt. Our Elections were done in front of the European Union members, UN MEMBERS and other international organisations. none of them said it was unfair. even our opposition was let to watch the elections. they were very happy about it. well lets see about ur elections in armenia. ur was just a disaster. the news whoile around teh world was talking baout how kocharian was fakely elected. comeee on u even know that kocharian is not a good guy for u, as he is losing Karabax to us these days. no one is stealing our oil. there is a big pipeline going to turkey and u know it Baku Ceyhan. u even wanted it to pass through armenia. nonono. u dont worth it. we gonna make a lot of money out of that project and u can watch us nice and easy. our nation is not poosr liek urs. and we thank our leader for everything what he has done to us and the country. no one has sufferd from Heydar Aliyev. u armenians think u r the clever guys. well carry on thinking like that. u liek dreaming anyways. our media isnot sencored. dont make things up ur mind.

you poor people, dont u realize that everythign your government tells u is lies???? turky hates armenians ...thats why they blockaded us... look at the cia record of karabagh...it states that its a armenian populated area that was given to you by stalin...what was that about noone thinking it should be ours?? keep fooling yourself about how well your economy is doing...the only reason anyone has interest in you is old, while armenia has the a wasy better record regarding corruption, freedon of press, and growth of foreign investment. you people are living on a goldmine and you are still dirt poor....its rediculous.

hes not corrupt??? how was his son magically elected when no one likes him?? why did he censor the media? why was he kicked out of the kgb for partying too much, why did he throw his political opponents in jail? why did he steal your oil money....obviouslt you dont knoe about it because your media is censored. heres another one, have fun reading------- http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/EL16Ag01.html-----

HEYDAR ALIYEV OR OUR GOVERNMENT NEVER LIED TO US. They never done naything that our country has suffered from. only good has been done. i have read what u virginia have posted. the article is too biased and doesn not bring out any facts or evidence what they say. they seem very biased. Heydar Aliyev is not knows as a corrupt or liar man in anywhere of the world. everyone knows him as the good leader of Azerbaycan. and even ur president has send a letter to Ilham Aliyev regarding To Heydar Aliyev. have u seen how many people came after his Funeral. more than 2 million people. even now at people are visiting his grave. why would people follow him if he treated us badly, or he did something wrong to us. Azeri Nation is not dum like u armenians. we respect people for what they do to their nation, not for their look, or their power, or whatever else. Heydar Aliyev did a looooot for Azerbayan. thats why today Azerbaijan is the best in the caucasus than any of other caucasian country. even we r the probably 2nd or 3rd best in economy among post soviet countries. our army is much better today. we have good relationship with other countries. uuuuuuuuuu. look at ur country. Turkey because of Azerbaijan has blocked trade with u. Saudi Arabia did the same. USA supports Azerbaijans territory. no country in the world recognises Karabax as a independed country. if russia didnot support u with its army we can get the lands of u right now. even if they help u now, we will still get it dont u worry abou that. i dont believe and dont reccomend u to belive in that bs written by japanese or russians. WE ALL KNOW WHO WAS HEYDAR ALIYEV. YASHASIN AZERBAYCAN

the websites are japanese and moscow's leading papers...I guess the only news that isnt bs is the one reported in your censored media. good job learning russian, now lear how to realize that your governemnt is lying to you!

you stupid moron, he was stealing your oil money!!! did you read the article? robert kocharian...sounds very azeri to me yea....you will have it back soon...i hope you hold your breath, one less stupid azeri to worry about. ps congrats on swizerland recognizing the armenian genocide number of countries officially recognizing the genocide:15------------ number of countries who dont give a crap about the 40 people who died in khajaly: everyone else

who are you virginia talkign about azerbaycan president. Fuck you hayastan. who is ur president kocharyan u think? he doesn not even has an armenian passport and he is ur president? ha? he is still the citizen of azerbaijan. u all go and fuck urself. Karabax will be ours soon. Heydar Aliyev was our leader and will be forever. all that websited are bullshit. armyashki petuxi.

read this, youll get a kick out of it,especially u robo ------http://www.themoscowtimes.com/stories/2003/12/16/008.html--------- its about aliyev...you guys think this guy was good??? he was stealing your oil money...nice real good jugde of character.

As a protege of former Soviet leader Leonid Brezhnev, Aliev became head of Azerbaijan's KGB secret police in 1967. Two years later, he took over the Soviet republic as its Communist Party boss. In 1982, he became a full member of the Soviet Politburo, but Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev ousted him in 1987 on allegations of cronyism, nepotism and high living at party expense. Aliev made a political comeback in Azerbaijan in the early 1990s, becoming parliament speaker in a government reshuffle forced by rebels fighting then-President Abulfaz Elchibey. Elchibey fled, and Aliev replaced him. While in office, Aliev censored the news media what does this say about the information you are using? lets not forget that your only sources are turkish and azeri and we all know how free the turkish press is...lol so while your sources are all censored and distorted, we have sources from many different countries, encyclopedias, the cia, etc now why should we believe you? im not trying to be an asshole, im serious, please i just what to know how azeris can expect anyone to believe them when their news is censored and your ex president was in the KGB?...honestly, please tell me, otherwise i have no choice but to disregard everything you say

if you know enough to back up your arguments why dont you ever do it??? if we copied albanian architecture then why are there not "albanian style" churches all over azerbeijan, just is the border areas and in areas that are ethnically armenian...as well as eastern tukey....dont tell me...albanians owned turkey too...im sure the turks would like to hear that...

armenians like going back into history because thats how far back we existed....unlike aeris and turks. and did you learn your cool armenian phrases, from that stupid azeri site teaching you how to curse in armenian...boy you people have meaningful lives...and you never told me who those famous azeris were since ive never heard of them..i have however i have heard of khachaturian, agassi, kasparov, william saroyan, arshile gorky, charles aznaur...should i go on...cuz if you dont know who byron is why should u know who those people are...

Forget the armenian national state museum, go to the national history museum in NEW YORK it will tall you all about the Urartu and Armenian kingodms...what?? there is no mention of azeris? big surprise! do armenians control new york too? either way you are making yourself look stupid...if all of our claims are not true that the 10 million armenians in the world must be a lot more powerful than that what is it 100 million turks and azeris??? that means every one armenian has the rain power of 10 turks and azeris...sound about right

you speak turkish you moron...its not even your language!!!!! even if you supposedly let us name it stepanakert...you claim that then the majority in karabagh was azeris....why the hell would u do that????!!!!???? the capital? give me a f**fucking break....is america going to rename washington DC Baghdad?????? even axzeris cant be that stupid. i dont know what maps you are looking at but everyone i see including the one from the cia names the capital as stepanakert....

you stupid f**k...you killed armenians in sumaygit and baku...thousands....and exiled everyone else...you were generous to us??? f**k you and your "poor azeri refugees" crap...we are generous to you because u are still alive...armenians arent animals like azeris...and i love how u bring up khajaly or whatever....maybe you should learn what happend...it is well recorded by azeris that armenians told the army they were going to attack, and the morning of the attack warned the civillians with white flags...but when the azeris tried to flee, the azeri army shot at them....so they couldnt go anywhere...whose fault is that?????? and only about 40 people died, azeris have told me all of this....even foriegh countires know it....in meetings with foreign minsters of swizerland, the minister said it would be better if azeris shut up about the incident because its not helping heir cause. why did members of the army and the former government keep blaming each other for the "tragedy"? becuase it was their goddamn fault. and one more thing, do you dont want to die??? stay off our land!

u f**king moron, u know van is an armenian word, because it all over armenia, where the f**k else does it ewxist in the world....are you that fuckign stupid??? ich means to descend....its where an armenian hero, i forgot his name, but it where he decended from the mountains and settled...... you dont even know who Byron is you idiot and you want us to believe you??? where did you get educated? in azerbeijan? good that explains your stupidity.

and for your info almost 3bln people around the world speak indo european. as for armenian, it's a separate branch of indo european family of languages. no doubth there are some foreign words we use, but it doesn't imply that armenian is from persian

by the way.--------going back in history that can't be proven?----------brickhead the churches stand there, what other poof do you need? historians of the time have spoken, what other proofs do you need?---------------------------------by the way i'm gonna be busy for then next week, starting from tomorrow, so don't expect answers.

correction: you're too scared to look at the sources i give you or conduct your own research

first of all f**k you.(just giving you what you said to me in "armenian")-------- 1> --"u can clearly distinguish that armenian letters are written there after wards"----how do you know that? what are your sources? 2.> they weren't written, they were engraved 3.> i don't care what velicho said. what he said was only part of the story. it does not mean armenians didn't live there. in 1700 shah abbas dislocated many armenians from the area to new julfa, esfahan and other regions of persia. later many of those armenians simply came back. since you don't want sources from me, i'll suggest however you search for them 3> have you heard of Ceciro, Xenophon, Strabo and other historians? if you have, i suggest you read some of their writings about armenians. Yes Armenians as a people, NOT just the name Armenia. that's way before your velicho. almost 2000 years before. 4> i don't know what the hell you're talking about. what azeri music? 5> exactly how is tar or kamancha azeri musical instruments? plese please please give me some sources. i hagte it when you just shoot out crap. 6> exactly what is azeri? there has never been such a nation or an understanding of such a nation whatsoever (until about 100 yers ago), how is tar or kamancha Azeri when there's no such thing as azeri? 7> we didn't make genocide in khojali. learn your facts. civilians were given a humanitarian coridor and the solders wree offerd to surrender? why? because azeris used kojali as a base to bombard innocent civilians day and night in stepanakert. The treat had to be eliminated. and if some innocent people died along the way that's sad. but it was due to azeri aggression and their crampy policies towards armenians that made armenians to act in self defence. 8> why are you silent about sumgait, kirovabad and sumgait? why did your mobs attack innocent armenians? and especially police didn't do anything? only after several days did the soviet troops intervene to bring order 9> why don't you talk about operation "ring" conducted against innocent armenians in getashen, in karabakh, even before the war begun? 10> you can take that dolma and stuff it up you'r a#@s (fill your a#@s with it) 11> basturma isn't azeri nor armenian, it's arabic, you thief. how dare you steal it from arabs? 12> ok fine you brickhead, your language is richer than ours.loooooooooooooooooool. satisfied? now f#@k off. 13> what are you some kinda super linguist? 14> how the hell did you come to conclusion that the churches in karabakh are albanian? i want to hear it from you. and answer the other questons. ---------------------------------------------------- you know what you're a brickhead and you've shown it to everyone, with your theory of roman word "Armenia" and other crappy theories, which you haven't and can't support. ---------------------------------------------------- to be honest i don't really expect any serious answre from you. so you can bark all you want. and unless you answr my questons, do some research on the topics that concern you, don't expect any further comments. cuz so far you've shown that youre not worth answering to. you're so closed minded that you only focus on some stupid velicho or whatever, but are too scared at the sources i give you or do your own research

wait wait wait. es berani kunem ur websites and ur evidence. u armenians are always like that going to far into history which is not even proven and try to make up history of ur own. We never copied anything from armnians. u were the ones who copied the architecture of Albanian Churches. u came there after us. and i know enough to argue my point. i am not going to far into history. have u read velichkos book called Kavkaz. i suupose not. he writes there and shows a clear picture the movement of armenians into karabakh aboutt 200 years ago. The Churches in Karabakh have existed there for long long time. they are all Albanian. u were the majority there when u were placed by russians. u r thiefs and always steal other nations history. u have put your letters on those Churches. i know some Churches in Azerbaijan where u can clearly distinguish that armenian letters are written there after wards. the color of the stone differs from the Church itself. why do u go far back. lets talk about today and see what kind of nation u r now. if u argue our points about history we will not achieve anything. so lets talk about today. 1- why have u stolen our Azeri musics and play it by the name of armenian, composed by Uzeir Hajibeyov and other our traditional musics? u shuld answr me that 2- why do u play Tar and Kamancha, by the name of armenian when it is an Azeri Instrument? 3- why do u live in a foreign land Karabakh? why do u like to call the lands of others as armenian? 4- why did u make a genocide in Karabakh, Khojaly? a normal person whould not do those massacres. 5- why do u claim that the food of Azerbaijan is urs, such as Dolma? do u know what is the menaing of Dolma? it means to fill in in our language. and u actually do fill meat in the cabbige. Basturma is Azeri, u call it armenian. 6- our language is richer than urs for 100000000% sure. ur language is indo-european which has similar words for persian as well. every language is from some group. so u cant claim ur language is juct pure armenian. anyways answer these questions. dont give me websites. i want to hear it from u

my dog was smarter than you. she know when to bark, when not to bark, but i guess the concept is too complicated for you

www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,3604,1093887,00.html

and here's the agriculture thing.----http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk_news/story/0,3604,109 3887,00.html-----------------learn how to make an argument you moran, don't just start barking like a dog about things, without any support

Do you know where agriculture originated? Armenia you dumbass. I can't believe you're so dumb. "No civilization"? what about this? http://www.astrologycom.com/armstone1.html ------------ still gonna claim there was no civilization? ----------then how the f#@k can you talk about ancient albania, ancient azerbaijan(claiming lands in nakhijevan etc)? Don't you see your prejudice? Or do you think i, or other people are so stupid not to notice your bias?---------How the hell do you expect me or others to take you serious when you make such stupid claims? -----go f#@k yourself, you braindead proto-human

One more point. You said--------- "armenia is an old Roman word, which means an empty area or a free land. and it was a huge area. but it was never a civilisation." ----------- man you're the dumbest person i know. ----- even before rome was founded in 8CE BC, which by the way was just a tiny remote willage in italy, therre was the kingdom of Urartu in and powerful enough to battle Assorestan (Assyria). dumbass go to armenian state museum, you'll see hundreds of ancient artifacts dating back to 5000 bc. what the hell are you talking about? "no civilizations"---------you're one hell of a comidian

http://www.sarissa.org/urartu/urartu_t.php

here's some help on your reasearch on "hayasa-azzi", just to get you on track. although i'm pretty much confident that you won't follow the links, because you're scared of the truth, i'll post them anyway--------------http://www.sarissa.org/urartu/urartu_t.p hp------------http://www.asor.org/HITTITE/CTH1-220.html#42-- ----------http://www.un.int/armenia/---(click "about armenia" on top right, then click "history")-------------------------------------------------- www.tau.ac.il/humanities/archaeology/press/monograph17.html- -------(see chapter 10)

also look at this one------- don't tell me that "Albanian Empire" extended up to Lake VAN.------http://arcimaging.org/GeisslerRex/AhtamarIslandArm enianChurch20002.jpg-------------- by the way please back up any claims you make. don't just shoot any crap that comes out of your mouth.---------and do some research on "hayasa-azzi"

kish church doesn't look like armenian? what does it look like then? are you on drugs or what? or do you just talk without actually looking at the pictures and making a comparison? here's a picture of the kish church--------http://www.azer.com/aiweb/categories/magazine/ 84_folder/84_photos/84_303_kishchurch.jpg-------------- and here're pictures of aremnian churches ---------- ----http://www.cilicia.com/pics/picm/20000325-tanahati.jpg-- ------http://www.cilicia.com/pics/picm/DCP_4210.JPG--------- --------------visit ------http://www.cilicia.com/armo5.html---- for more

just so you wont get confused--------------I never said Udins were another group from albans but that the udin church in gabala was different in it's architectural style from that of Albanian. The Udin church looks more like a garage. , unlike the albanian church in kish which looks more like the armenian churches.

looooooooooool. i feel like talking to a woodden pole or a tree. it's ok, i'm having some fun. -------http://www.lrz-muenchen.de/~wschulze/The%20Udi% 20language.htm----------- this is what Udi is read something about udins. I never said Udins were another group from albans. Like ezdis are the same but kurds, but they are considered a separate branch. udins however are another group from azeris. Also for your info the name of an armenian state UTIQ is derived from UDI. altho Udins were an albanian tribe from the lezgin family they were generally under armenian control during the course of history.-------------- why georgian churches look armenian. Georgia and armenia have had more ties than armenains and albans. also armenian king Theodoros Rshtuni in 7th ce was recognized by the arabs as the ruler of not only armenia, but also georgia and albania.---------i never said kish church is armenian. what i said is that the architecture of the kish church is greatly influenced by armanian. don;'t mess my words.----------------------you supposedly showed some churches (less than 10 combined), compared to thousands of armanian churches.-----Which bring us to the question. What about khachkars? you don't see khachkars in kish do you? By the way i wonder what was the fate of the Truckloads of khachkars taken from Juga cemetary? Were they used as construction material? I wouldn't be surprised if in near future azeris discovered an Albanian cemetary full of "Albanian Khachkars" somwhere in azerbaijan.----------- -------- i know the meaning of karabakh. --- do you know where it originated? it originated in 14 century and references to the horrible condition of the garden following the turkish invasions. trees aren't black are they? The word is not armeanin of course. the armenian word is ARTSAKH. which according to the legend is named after armenian king ara who planted many trees and gardens. "tsakh" in armenian is for wood, "ar" is the abbrevation for the kings name. -----------as for nakhijevan . it is also named after the legend. More precisely. when the Nohas ark landed in armenia, it is said that noha and his sons established the first settlment in nakhichevan. "nakh" in armenian means "pre" or "first", "ijevan" means "stay", or "settle".- ---------- about kenkhandi. Look at what map? Azeri maps?- get lost kid.----------------------you really need to learn some history.-----yes safavid, atropotenia whatever you say ruled azerbaijan. Doesn't mean they were azeri kingdoms.---- ------------the word "great" is put for a specific reason. There were several armenian kingdoms. "Tsopq"-in the southern parts of historic armenia, "Lesser Armenia"-in the western part whch also includes "Cilicia", and "Greater Armenia". "Greater" stands for the size of the "Greater Armenain" kingdom compared to the other ones.--------------- ------"we have a Language which is much richer than urs"---- --you seriously make me lough. armenian is one of the oldest,most sophisticated, with rich vocabulary languages in the world. as for your language, it may be rich, but that's probably because in the last century you changed your alphabet 4 times. what's the matter you couldn't find a single alphabet that can supprot your turko-perso-arabic language? you can borrow armenian if you like. It has almost all the sounds a human can pronounce.---------------- --------as i expected you started barking without knowing anything about armenian history. Armenia is a roman word? Get a life idiot. where did you get all this bs? let me gues. it wasn't the website of ministry of foreign affairs of turky, was it?-------------The word Armenia or armenian is not from a roman word, dumbass. here's one of the oldest references to Armenia--- http://ancienthistory.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm? site=http://www.henry%2Ddavis.com/MAPS/Ancient%2520Web% 2520Pages/103.html------ As for the name "Hay"- it is derived from the name of Hayasa-aza tribe. ----------

Looks like u r trying to prove that something like Great Armenia existed; HA!!!. listen boy stop dreaming. nothing like that existed ever. armenia as an area existed yes, like for example mesopotamia, where iraq syria and other countries were in it. u guys are called armenians because history proves that u were brought there and u nation is Hay. they call u now armenians because u lived in that area. armenia is an old Roman word, which means an empty area or a free land. and it was a huge area. but it was never a civilisation. u tell me that in Gabala those Churches are udi. no no no. u probably know only one Church in Nich Village which is a an udi village. u r wrong again. there is no such a thing called Udi Church. Udis are an albanian tribe which are still Christians. that Church is called Albanian. u tell me that the style of Kish Churc is armenian? u r lying. it doesnt even look like Armenian Churches. it is very different. the Gerogian Churches look like urs too. what can u say about that? Kish Church never was armenian. dont tell me anything about great armenia. u shuld not belive in that. Sheki is a Holy Islamic Land, as is Karabakh and Nakhchivan. U said that nakhcivan is an aremnian word. r u a stupid or u r making me a fool. Nakhchivan word comes from Nahci Cahan, which mean land of pure/clean. year by year, it has shortened and become Nakhcivan. Karabakh u know the meaning, it means Black Garden. and Stepanakert, has been named in 20th century, because as were very generous to u, not like u guys massacring us in Khojaly, we let u to name the capital of karabakh stepanakert. but u know that its historical name and today its official name is Khankendi. and look at all the maps today it says Khankendi, and Karabakh, not aetsakh. u know that no country supports the karabakh as part of armenia. and no one names it Arsakh. what a stupid name artsakh. basically u armenians are slaves and history proves it. dont think of any empire. Azerbaijan had a massive empire, Saffavids, Atropatena, Manna, so shut up. we r a great nation. and we have a Language which is much richer than urs. plus in armenian u dont have a word 'great'. u have word mets, which stands for big. so this is another proof that u r making all this up. YASHASIN AZERBAYCAN!!!

and as for the gabala churches, they are not albanian either. theya re udi. and if you just look at them you'll see that the architectural styl is quite different from armenian

correction karabakh was NOT albanian or even azeri

it all doesn't even matter. just do some research on armenia (NOT FROM AZERI OR TURKISH SOURCES OR EVEN ARMENIAN) try to be less prejudiced, read history books and you'll see that karabakh was albanian or even azeri. Even if it were albanian, azeris still don't have a right to it, since azeris are not albanian

would you mind providing a picture of "fire-cross"? unless of curse you were just bluffing

ok. listen smarta@*. how come the crosses on the churches in karabakh or armenia don't have the "fire" on them? then you proved yourself that churches in karabakh were not albanian, but armenian. get it? also note kish is located on the border area of old armenian kingdom, which separated armenia from albania, so the only reason kish church looks like armenian is because of armenian influence. however the influence does not go further east towards baku. it is generally at the border area. which includes zaqarta and kish. here's a map of Greater Armenia------------ http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~vandersp/Courses/maps/detailf.jp g ----------- you can do your own research if you want, and trust me you'll find numerous such maps, not just on armenian sites. also if you don't believe me, you can visit ----------- http://www.raremaps.com ----------- and search for armenian maps.------------ also look at this one- ------ http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Images/Chicago/hewsen62.gif -- ---------------

HAHAHAHAHAHA you must be the must gullible person in the world...well youre probably azeri so that makes sence... the writing in all of those churces is in armenian, they are dedicated to armenian saints, they are built in armenian style....are azeris that stupid???? the artwork is completely armenian!!!!!!!!!! the style looks exactly like chueches in armenia and ancient armenia in turkey!!! does the Shushi momastary remind you of anything? say every other armenian church in the world???? Oh Dear God...How do you believe this crap your government feeds you

Armenians used to be Pagans, and after they converted to Christianity they converted all the temples into churces!...those churches are armenian......

LMAO you dont know why Byron is? He was only one of the greatest writers in the English Language....hmmm you must be really smart if you dont know that so now im even more inclined to listen to your crap. the whole world knows khachkars are armenian..,stop kidding yourself...if you look it up in the encyclopedia it will say it is a purely armenian form of art...why are there churches in turkey, karabagh and nakhijevan named after gregory the illuminator when hes an ARMENIAN SAINT???? why is nakhijevan an armenin word????????????????? why was stepanakert named after an armenian person in 1921?????????? you people are rediculous, and your countries are great at inventing fairy tales.

Who said that there are no Albanian monuments or Churches in Azerbaijan? well yeh i understand that someone who has no idea about Azerbaijan, would never know what it has and what it has not. lets start counting Albanian Monuments and Churches. in Gabala, which was the capital city of Albania, there are 4 or 5 Churches and the Cross on the Churches are designed with fire flame design at the end of it. this shows that the ancestors of these Albanians were Zoroastrs that belived in fire. and u know that armenians were never Zoroastrs, therefore this is one fact that it is a pure Albanian Church. In Sheki which is clsoe to Gabala, the first Chucrh in caucasus is there called Kish Church. in Zakatala there are many, but to be honest as i never been there i dont know much about its history and the year it was built. In Gakh, Gazagh and Balaken there are several Monuments and Churches. i mean there are many. oh i forgot in Karabakh in Shusha the Gandzasar Church very famous one is Albanian Church. also other Albanian Churches exist in Karabakh that i am not shure of their names. so here we go is that enough for u? if u want just visit some websites or if websites do not convince u than visit Azerbaijan if u can and see it with ur own eyes.

ok. since your so smart then tell me why aren't there any similar albanian monuments, khachqars and churches in the homeland of albanians. which is traditionally the north- eastern part of todays azerbaijan and southern part of dagestan

yeh yeh yeh. virginia and robo, cant find any words to say? well thats what i thought will happen. whoever byron was he was crazy probably. I am Muslim and i pray to Allah in Arabic, i dont know what about u guys. that sculpture in Karabax is ancient Albanian, does not belong to u. u stole it.

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hey blockhead. here are some famous armenians. gago from then next street, karo from 3rd floor apt 304. *********************************************** looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool.************ is that what you call famous? *********************************oyu're fooling yourself

when the hell did shakespeare say that? what about byron going to armenia to study armenian because he believed it was the language with which u speak to god... Azeris and Turks need to understand that everyone else in the world believes armenia and is afraid of sanctions from turkey and the only ones defending the azeris and turks are themselves. if you speak with anyone intelligent and tell them what you said they will laugh in your face.

Then get ready to get your asses kicked. I have no idea who any of those people are...Armenia had a written language in the 5th century and we have any culture??? why are there soo many khatchkars in nakhijevan you idiot??? why is Nakhijevan located between modern armenia and ancient armenian land in turkey...how the hell did it get there???? you know the big statue of the heads man and the women in karabagh? the whole world knows its aremnian....why the hell is the language engraved in the ancient churches armenian???!!!??? do azeris have any common sense???

who the hell are those people?

U want me to name Famous Azeris? hahahhaa, i think it will take a while to list them all, but here some of them, Babek the hero, Koroghlu, Nesimi, Nizami, Khatai, Uzun Hasan, Fuzuli, UZEIR HACIBEYOV- which u always steal the msici from, and dont deny it, u knwo u do that. u have stolen the most famous music of him ' o olmasin bu olsun' even not that u have stoled many Azeri folk musics, such as Sari Gelin, lets continue listing. Gara Garayev, Fikrat Amirov, Cavadkhan, Cavanshir, Tusi, HEYDAR ALIYEV, i mean there are A LOT. what naxchivan what karabax architecture. i have been in jugha, in fact iam from Nakhcivan, and that land is a Holy Muslim land, where one of the Famous Mountains is there, where the Imams slept for 300 years. Thats in Kuran. so u could never be in that land ever. thats our Muslim Land. the Jugha semitary is Albanian, and u have written ur curvy stupid letter these days, not long ago, u do that everywhere. thats in ur blood. u probably know the goat sculptures there, thats a belonging to our culture, not urs. When it comes to music, u shuld shut uppp. the music u play belongs To a Pure Muslim style. u play Tar and Kamancha, those are our traditional music instruments. there is no Armenian instrument. the duduk which u always play, is acyually called Balaban and Tutak. thats also ours. u say that we stole music from u and arabs. ok tell me. do u guys have Mugham or Ashig sesi, or Seygah or Mughamat or Meykhana????? NOOOO U DOOONT, thats pure Azeri. No Arab or greek or else have these type of musics. u tell me specific names of ur culture, if u can make up one we will see how creative u r:))) Karabakh Churches are all Albanian. not armenian. u were brought there by russians i have been telling u this already. read velichko, griboyedov. dont read nay of ur bullshiiit armenian fake history which talks about some non existed great armenia. The only nation i know is called great is Great Britain, tahts it. what is so great about u? u are slaves, as Shakespare said, " the worst of balcks are negros, the worst of whites are armenians" see even those times u have been hated for reasons. Pushkin said " ti rab ti trus ti armenin" !!! anyways what is past is past, at least try tobe good today u armenians. u r on someone lese land. even today u cant leave peacefully on that land, cos it doesnot belong to u. its a foreign land. sooner or later u will go out of it, we will have it back and u know that. there is o point messing with people, and leaving 1 million refugges out of their homes. instead of dreaming of creating greater armenia, u shuld dream about ur economy, and ur state. anyways, armyashki, dont talk too much, just get ready!!! WE ARE ON OUR WAY TO KARABAX SOON!!!

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HAHAHAHAHA we dont have any culture??? then what is all that stuff in turkey, naxijevan and karabagh that you people claim you built? name one famous azeri...yea, thats right, there are none so shut the fuck up...the only famous turks and azeris are terrorist assholes

is that why azeris are so actievly destorying armenian monumens in Juga (nakhichevan). so they'd claim there were never armenians there?

you're hopeless you know that? lol you stupid bubblehead. what culture do turks and azeris have? your mongolian like sounds have almost vanished in the mixture of armenian, greek, persian and arabic music. do yourself a favor read some armenian history and don't make people lough.

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Listen viriginia, u armenians dont have any land culture or music or traditions. dont even compare urself with greeks or byzantens. Karabakh's architecture belongs to ancient Caucasian Albania. u have never ben in this area. u have been brought there by russians, and if u want prove read Velichko's books, or Griboyedov if u know who these people are. Tell me a music special of armenia? i have an armenian channel showing on sattelite, u r such a bastard nation, i heard many times Azeri music composed by Uzeir Hacibeyov "O olmasin Bu olsun" piece played by u people on that channel. even so much more other musics played by u which belong to us. who do u think u people are? Azeris and Turks have the real culture and traditions. Dont u dear calling us Bad Muslims, u r not even Christians. u just call urself like that. so just shut up and dont be so impresed by urselves. greeks have traditions no doubts. KARABAKH BELONGS TO AZERBAIJAN

Turks are the scum of this planet and the world will be a much better place when you are gone. You commit genocided against the Greeks, the Kurds, The Armenians, and even against your own people. F*ck you you lying sacks of Sh*t you could never be as developed or cultured as the greeks or the armenians or the byzantines so you killed them, and even today you live in a backwards as* country. everyone knows your true faces, thats why they wont let you in the EU. Even god knows what scum you are and that you all belong in hell. i hope you have fun there wile we pi$$ on you from heaven. Its the turks and azeris that make muslims look bad. some of them are actually nice people, not scum like turks and azeris once again you lying sacks of sh*t, while some of the most treasured greek and armenian art and architecture in in turey you claim that turks were there first and we just got up and left for no reason, and azeris are the worst. Kharabagh is full of armenian art and architecutre yet the land isnt armenian?? keep lying to yourselves and miking yourselves look stupider. LONG LIVE ARMENIA AND ARTSAKH

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Oh! and I will keep coming back to the guestbook because unlike your impovershed, post-communist Armenia, the internet is free.

The question is. Would a turkish guy be desperate enough to have sex with you????? I wouldn `t touch a filthy armenian even if she were glazed in honey.

well i think the turkish people in armenian chat should get the hell out of it before we kill all of them. i would never sleep with a turkish guy ever and not a clean armenian will think about touching a ugly turk who smell and eat shit for dinner.

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I dont think I am the only young person who believes that education today isn't what it ought to be. The word of the wise speaks with wonder...what ever happened to that curiousity in learning? I want to bring back the joy of discovering the world through learning. What happened after we learned how to walk, talk, and sing? Have out educational institutions forgotten the necessity of joy in the expansion of the mind's true intellect? BRING back the creative enjoyment of learning! Please join me in the effort to reform public education, so that every citizen may get a good education, and not just those who are financially privelaged to do so. Better education is necessary for all, not only to advance society scientifically, to improve intellect and status, but also to develop morality, and improve the situation of EVERY human citizen, from the garbage collector to the space man, from the average Hovsep, to the holy minister of Ph.D.'s. I've drafted a petition on the following website: http://www.petitiononline.com/jingles3/petition.html Here is posted my Education Reform: A Classical System proposal, to address the education issue, and offer a solution by a description of the nature of the subjects and consequently how they should be taught or conveyed in the classroom. Please visit here, read it, and help contribute to the effort in reforming public education. We need to change the idiocy of the educational system whcih has created the type of lack of care in learning, as well as other social aspects of life affected and afflicted by it. please join me in the effort to reestablish and reimplement the type of educational system which would help reinvest our people in the type of social intelligence that would bolster the American nation and spirit back to its feet.

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armenian churches like ST Sarkis should have a calender of all armenian familys or friends to show how much we care about our church. This calender we can sell to other armenians and other armenians can come to this church.

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The reason armenians chose to "live in the past" is because turkey refuses to aknowledge the genocide and azeris claim that that armenians migtated to those lands within the last millenia. you people are skewing the facts so armenians have to defend themselves...get it?

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The reason the map of Anatolia in the Bible is shown as Armenia is because it WAS a part of Armenia in that ancient period of time. This was also in the same period of time when the states of Bactria, Tranoxiana, Persia, Babylonia, Assyria, Ancient Egypt, Atlantis, Sparta existed, they do not exist anymore. Countries changed names, territories changed hands, people were uprooted, murdered, migrated, religions changed and empires broke up. NOW, today, 2003, this land belongs to Turkey, which is your western neighbour. It is going to belong to Turkey. It is inhabited by Turks and Kurds (also Turkish citizens) and her sovereignty over these lands is legitimized by treaties, recognized by the entire world. GET OVER IT!!!

Eastern Turkey has an Armenian history, but today it is inhabited by Turks. It is recognized by every single state in the world and by every international treaty as being an integral PART OF TURKEY. Get over it!!!! This is not the first time this has happened in the world. Flemish territories were annexed by France and now constitute an important part of France. Lille, formerly the Flemish city of Rijsel, is now home to 1,5 million French people. Silesia in Western Poland was inhabited Poles, then Germans who were kicked out after world war 1, then retaken by the Germans in world war 2, only to be ceded to Poland again in 1945. Similarly the Danish-German border in Schleswig-Holstein changed no less than 5 times as has the border between England/Scotland and Germany/France. Other nations have learnt to forgive and forget and have moved on to improve their relations with their neighbours with whom they are destined to live together for all eternity. All Except the Armenians who have chosen to live in the past.

You azeris and turks are unbelievable. who the hell build the armenian churches in turkey in the 7th century BC? it sure as hell wasnt the turks cuz theyre not chrstian... why is there an ancient map of armenia in the bible? wasnt that written thousands of years ago? Also, why do turkish cities have armenian names...like van, and ani....and why the hell was both kharabagh and nakhijevan so highly populated by armenians before you bastards started killing them????????? how could stalin have given those lands to you if you supposedly already owned them? i am sure that all of those pictures of women adn children killed in the genocide were all soldiers helping the russians. are you people insane? where the hell do you get your facts? i know turkey and azerbeijan makes shit up on a daily basis and feeds it to its population but youd think that acces to the internet and maybe some intelligence would make you suspect that stuff is all crap!

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WHY ARE INSULTING THE TURKS? I M THE ONE WHO INSULTED THE IRANIANS AND YOU HAVE A BASH AT THE TURKS, IT MAKES NO SENSE.

allah�n�, kitab�n�, soyunu sopunu sikti�imin ermeni d�lleri.biz sikmekten b�kt�k,siz yarak yemekten b�kmad�n�z.galiba sikilmek ya�am tarz�n�z oldu. look at me armenian dog.what is the role armenian people in the world.your population is 3-4 million in the world.you was a servant in the past.today nothing changed.dont forget there is no armenian land in the history,all the armenistan belong to us. if you want to live in the world honoured, you will learn to die. but you are a dishonest people.therefore you seems together in this side sometimes with iran and other countries. but there are some turkish states in central asia like turkmenistan,kazakhstan,k�rghistan,uzbekistan,azerbaycan will be together with us forever.

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I haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaate bitchy turks.Suck dicks bitches.Its all about the armenians.

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Listen you ass wipe, there is absolutely no point in telling people to stay out of this web site. The beauty of the internet is that anybody can visit any web site, anywhere. So quip with this non-sense. Secondly, you misunderstood me, I do not depise all muslims only that Iranian thug (and other Iranians like him) who is enjoying the freedom that my country provides him and then turns round and bad mouths America. I certainly do not hate Turks. They are after all our allies. Your attitude towards muslims sucks as does your tasteless humor.

Hi Bill,first of all, I wanted to know what brought you to this web site, it's armenian. Please, don't get offended. I actially agree with you. I hate iraqis, iranians, and all the muslim people. When they are in their countries, the like when people from U.S. (their relatives) send them money, and when they come here, and "fuck America, and all the americans". It hurts, even though I am not an american, but still those muslims are two faced people. Their women cover themselves from head to toe (that their so pure and innocent) but they are the biggest sluts, can you prove it????????/ NO, they are all innocent. I personally met a lot of women who do that, in front of their parents they are covering, but as soon as they leave the house, they take the covers off. I felt sorry for Iraqi ppl because so many innocent ppl were killed and are being killed, but now I support our (our because I do live in this country and I am a U.S. citizen and that makes my country, of course I love my Armenia and it'll be always my country of birth) president. TO ALL OF YOU TURKS, get the fuck out of here. ( I apologize for my language, if there are any girls here, please accept my apologizes, there is no other workd that I could say to muslims). And by the way, I crewed many of your women :))))))))))))))))))))) and will more :)))))))))))

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It seems like the British principle of "divide & rule" is still being played upon our poor peoples. Your animosity towards each other and foolish confronations would benefit no one but the great powers in the west and the east who would wish for the continuation of such feelings. Shouldn't Iran, Turkey, Armenia, Azerbaijan, and possibly the rest of mid east and eurasia construct a united and solid formation against the Russian and European imperialist movements? Neither one of these countries alone could achieve a measurable success compared to what tresholds they would achieve if they become united.

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WHAT IS THE DIFERENT BETWIN AN AMERICAN AND A TURK.... THERE IS NO DIFRERENT .. SAME SHIT BUT DIFRENT SMELL .. HEY BILL COME AND SUCK MY COCK YOU FUCKEN FAGY...

Q: How many Iranians died in the Iran-Iraq war???? A: Not Enough.

Q: Why do the Iranians Smell? A: So blind people can hate them too!

Three doctors are at lunch when the one doctor brings up the easiest surgery he's ever done. Dr.1 'Ya know, I just did an operation on an accountant and, man, was it easy. I opened him up and everthing was in numerical order, completely in balance!' Dr.2 chimes in 'Oh, I can top that. Electricans are the best to operate on, everything is color coordinated.' Dr.#3 laughs and says 'I have both of you beat. The easiest operation is on an Iranian. There are no guts, no spine, no balls and if you ever get confused...the head and ass are interchangable.'

Q: What is the difference between an Iranian woman and a basketball team? A: The basketball team showers after 4 periods.

I d like to take half of Iran and give it to Pakistan and the other half to Iraq. Or maybe we could just turn it into the world biggest dumping ground.

You Iranian jackass, you seem to be enjoying the freedom of my country but yet you like to run down America and Americans. I hope George Bush junior decides to wage a war against Iran next. I`d personally go, just to bomb your dusty little village and shoot your reletives. The Turks will always be miles ahead of Iran in every field, I dont need to defend them.

one thing i know the irakis are fucking you good you basterd american turk loving bitch bill mother fucker red neck cocksucker and we fucked you good with the hostiges in iran and we took our gold that you stole from us .. you fucken american assholl . so go fuck yourself you BIIETCHH. . BILL COCKSUCKER. LONG LIVE IRAN

Its a shame the Iraqis didnt nuke Iran! You people are the scum of the earth.

fuckyou el=yakup .. never i say to A DIRTY DOG TURK COCK SUCKER LIKE YOU EXSUME NEVER.. you write down that bullshit and you put my name so other people see .. but that does not work .. let the hall world see how mother fucker turk is..lyers and cocksuckers ... el= yakup KAPIR ESHOLESHEG ANANE SIKIM KOUNY MOTHER ZANJE ASSHOLL GO FUCK YOURSELF GOTVERAN TURK AZERI GARBIJE

excusez me el-yakup ,in reality we like turks very much , you are very good fucker. please excusez me , please

YOU FUCKEN BASTARD EL-YAKUP IBNA KAHPA SUCK MY COCK YOU KOUNY GOTVERAN ONE DAY IRAN GOING TO FUCK ALL TURKS UP D. ASS AND TAKE BACK ALL D. LAND AND ARMENIANS THEY GOING TO COME TO FUCK YOU TO . YOU MOTHER FUCKER TIMUR LANG TATAR GARBIJE TURK AZERI COCKSUCKER ANANA SIKIM EL-YAKUP YOU BBIITCH KOUNY GOTVERAN HAHAHA TTOOO ORUSSPU

� fuck your nation , your god, your sister, your mother, your origin, � am seeking who are you. you have born in a general house. fuck your all armeniann brother.seni sike sike gebertmessem bana da yakup demesinler. kerhane �ocu�u.orospunun do�urdu�u. do not forget one day all iran will belong to us.

hey el=yakup come and suck my cock you biiitch. MOTHER ZANJE KOUNY . IF I EVER GRAB YOU . YOU TURK PAZAVANG I AM GOING TO CUT YOUR HEAD IRANIAN WAY .. AND THIS SITE DO NOT BELONG TO YOU . I COME ANY TIME I WANT.. I AM HERE TO PROTECT MY ARMENIAN BROTHERS AND TO FUCK TURK & AZERIE MOTHER FUCKERS LIKE YOU . AND BILL FUCK YOU TO ASSHOLL.. EL=YAKUP ANANE SIKIM. LONG LIVE IRAN

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bill is wright .iran are full of homosexsuel. you are an fuck of man . �f you say unreal thinks about turkey , � will cut your head. you will leave this site just now, � dont want to see you again in this site. orospunun evlad�

bill dogerty go fuck your self iran is beutiful country. ...what you know about iran . FUCK OFF ASSHOLL AND FUCK THE TURKS TOO KAPIR KOUNY .. AND EL -YAKUP YOU TO FUCK YOU

Iran! Who wants to live in a country where the streets are dusty and scattered with semi-dried excrement, streets that are knee-deep in pistachio shells, crowded with women dressed from toe to head in Black in the scorching heat, guys whose beards touch the ground and sweep the streets behind them. Where freedom and democracy are things that happen to other countries. A country where you dont have a chance in hell of getting a fair trial-the authorities just shoot you. A country just is isolated from the rest of the civilised world because nobody wants to have contacts with a state that sponsors terrorism. What a country! I think I prefer Turkey any day!

iranian and armenian people have a very small brain. fuck of their brain. we have a very high culture and clever. ermeni sikmeye doyam�yorum.

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Just one last word before I go off. The European Commission has told Turkey that as one of the conditions for her accession to the EU is that she will need to tighten her border with countries like Iran to prevent the flow immigrants to the west. You see Iran nobody wants you! You`re a rogue state according the US president, the leader of the most important country in the world!

Firstly I am Turk, but of Greek origin, of which I am proud. Secondly I really hate it when people say dont visit our web site, the beauty of the internet is that anybody can visit any web site from any part of the world. There are NO limitations as to who can visit what. So quit making these pathetic remarks about who is allowed and who isnt. If Iran is so great how comes so many of your oppressed people are feeing your country to places like the US, where you are now. And how comes poor Iranians who leave Iran to nearby Turkey are practically begging Turks for under-paid, shitty jobs (that the poorest Turks do not even want to do). Besides Turkey has a much higher GDP than Iran, Armenia and Azerbeijan put together! Even the richer Iranians who claim to be "good" muslims go to Turkey on their holdays and the first thing the women tourists do in "Free Turkey" is take off the veil (which they have to wear in Iran, its the law) and breathe for the time and go sun bathing for the first time in their lives! The first thing your men do is visit the nearest Turkish "legalized" red light area or casino. But I suppose you are "good" muslims and we are not because we had the audacity to translate the Koran into our own language, so that people can actually read it and NOT misinterpret it as your countrymen have done. And no we do NOT rely on investment from Armenia! You misunderstood me. if you cared to read what I wrote properly you would see that what I meant was that it is Armenia that needs Turkey to reopen its borders for cross border haulage, and commercial activities. And if you have studied any economics in your life you will know that Turkey unlike uncivilized, oppressed, undemocratic, cheap and poor Iran has had a custims union agreement with the EU for a number of years of which it is also an associate member, again unlike Iran. So in other words if Armenians want access to the EU market, to buy the better quality products than everybody in the third world (like Armenia and Iran) wants, you will need to persuade the Turks to reopen their borders with Armenia and ends its embargo (economic sanctions) against Armenia. All you members of the diaspora display so much hate towards the Turks, fortunetely back in Armenia things are different it seems. The Armenian government are taking steps (of their own will) to improve relations with neighbouring Turkey, and diplomatics attempts by Armenia to persuade Turkey to reopen its border are currently taking place. As for Iran, I thought the Iraqis did a superb job in finishing you off! Iran and Armenia can be the best of friends because Iran needs all the friends she can get. Most states in the world refuse to have any dealings with Iran (because Iran sponsors international terrorism) let alone diplomatic links.

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el-yakup kapir. you say god send you to fuck armenians.. BUT IT HAPENED THE OTHER WAY AROUND HA.. WE FUCKED YOU PREATY GOOD.. DIDN.T WE.. YA EBN SHARMOUTA.. plus you have no shame you call name of god and you say fuck.. YOU FUCKEN AZERIE TURK DESSENDANCE OF TIMOUR LANG TATAR MOTHER FUCKER KALB.. ANAYEN AMENA ESHEG SIKSSEN TTOOO.. PAZAVANG.. UTANMAN ORUSPU OGLE ESHEYEN SIKE ... VIVA ARMENIA & KARABAGH

i like a guy that is a man not a sissie.

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leila SHARMOUTA SANEN GOTENA BIR YARAK GOYAJAM ORUSPU GEZE ... VIEN ME SOUSSER CHIENNE SALOPE . AZERIE POZY AGHTCHIG. VIVA ARMENIA

cetina salope turk je vois que t" habite a montreal . done moi ton numero je vais venir et t" enculer putin oruspu turkish bitch et je le sait t"aime sousser des YARRAK ARMENIAN CHIENNE SALLE

look you assholl turk dont come and tell me you have 2nd strong army in nato.. your army is bunch of HOMO COCKSUCKERS . if you are so strong how come the KURDS are FUCKING YOU so good with only small arms ... imagin if IRANIANS they come WILL FUCK THE DAY LIGHT OUT OF YOU... YOU KAPIR GARBIJE TURK MOTHER FUCKER KOUNY

hi my friend hamid i am fine thanks (alhamdulla) kheily mamnoun i hope you"re fine . may god be with you (ghodafess) LONG LIVE IRAN & ARMENIA

HALLO VARO (CHEITORY AGHA) HOW ARE YOU MY FREIND

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hallo hamid i see you have apoint ther this assholl azeri turk el-yakup he has no brain . so fuck him.. el -yakup sanen gotena bir esheyen yarrake sokajam TIMUR LUNG ourussbe ogle . MAYRET ESHE KOUNE POZY LAGOD YOU MOTHER FUCKER LONG LIVE ARMENIA

el-yakup kapir KOUNY pazavang go fuck your self . you son of TIMUR LUNG GARBIDGE .if you are real muslim so why you change the alfabet of kourran which is in arabic .. you mother fucker turk azeri .. we are the real muslim and we love our brother armenians ... and we dont go kill people coz they have difrent relegion . ther is one GOD (ALLAH ) which is evarybodys god. .. but you ... you dont know what god is.... you kapir KOUNY azeri cocksucker

parev vahe jan inchbesses aghparig yess CA. yegatzem shad kidem hondegh shad hayoutyoun ga . ASSDVATZ TSER HED ELLA . hoss MONTREAL ga pavagan hay yev yegeghitsi yev tbrotsner haygagan...

hey turk if we are no body then why you come to our site.. go to turkish site baba... live us alone.. then we dont need to make busenice whit turky.. your citys are over craouded your hungry poor like shit and your moeny has the worst curancy in the world and iran is much better contry alots of natural resorses and they are our freinds so we are making business with them...thank you byby and that is end of it.....

Just to add one last comment. Personally I dont support the Azeris, nor do I care about what claims you have against Turkey. I like most people in Turkey are far too busy making money from tourism, and our rapidly growing industry to care. Our partners in NATO and the EU are not pressuring us to do anything with regard to Armenia, dont flatter yourselves! You people should stop wasting your time and get on with your lives! Go out more! Be more socially active and invest in your country like the 6 million Turkish immigrants from all over the world have done in Turkey.

You Armenians know very well that your land-locked country is surrounded by Turks, be they Azeri or Anatolian, and the future of your country and its economy in particular, relies upon Turkey reopening its border with Armenia for commerce etc. Unlike Iran or Georgia, which also borders Armenia, Turkey has a customs union agreement with the EU, of which it is currently an associate member. However due to Armenian claims on our territory (land inhabited by millions of Turks and Kurds) this is not likely to happen soon. You should remember one thing, nobody or very few people in the rest of the non-Armenian world, care about the Armenians, what disputes you have with the Turks or about historical lectures etc. You are a nobody! Your country is NOT an economic, military, or diplomatic power! Armenia is terribly poor and if truith be known , the government has made repeated attempts to improve their relations with Turkey, in order to reopen the border etc. But it is Turkey which has ignored or forgotten about Armenia. Armenia rarely features in Turkish news, nor does it appear in foreign news very often. There are other more important countries and disputes. As for the Iranians, dont make me laugh. A country where millions of its repressed citizens are fleeing to Turkey as we speak to seek jobs and enjoy the freedom our country provides its own citizens. Turkey will start accession negotiations with the EU next year, its the only muslim member of NATO, and has the Natos second largest army, Iran however is going nowhere!!!! All you have to do is ask Iranians how desperate the situation in their country is.

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there is no iran or armenian country in history. all this area belong to us. the god sent us to the world to fuck the nations like armenia, iran .... in reailty iran is not a muslim country .because there are many homosexual there. their culture are very very low. sizleri sike sike gebertmek laz�m

hey el-yakup gotveran pazavang sanen anayan amannnna... sikkkajjjam uolan san outanman oroussbe millat turk mother fucker . you see even iranians dont like you . all over the world when you say turk they spit ttoooo you fucken feelty criminel cocksucers. WHAT ARE YOU DOING IN UOR SITE PAZAVANG. GO FUCK OFF GO TO TURK OR AZERIE GARBIDGE SITE YOU OGLANJY ESHOLESHEG .. SANEN BIR ESHEYEN YARAKE GOTENDAN VERAJAM TURK MOTHER FUCKER.... MAYRET ESHS KOUNNE AGHDOD TURK OR ME TSER MAYRE BIDI KOUNENK YEV YERT BIDI ARNENK MER HOGHERE. GETSE HAYERE

hallo hamid my iranian brother i see you know about this turk mother fuckers . you are 100 pr. corect my friend hamid this garbidge turk is dessendance of timur lung & TATAR . ther is saying in iranian ( TIMUR LANG KHORDE TFFANG RIDDE FSHANG ) HAHAHAHA... I HAVE MANY IRANIAN FRIEANDS . iranian people are good people ... like you said hamid one day will fuck theese muther fucker turks & azeries. thank you hamid LONG LIVE IRAN & ARMENIA & KARABAKH.. GETSE MER HAYER YEV MER HAYRENIK

listen you turk mother fucker el-yakup MOTHER ZENJA KOUNY armenians they live ih iran are good people they work & they dont make troubles.. but turk & azeries that live in iran make trouble & they are thiefs & their weeman all fucken whoors & THE MEN ALL OGLANJY KOUNY . you call your self muslem and you go murder weeman &children you fucken cocksucers. coz people like you aii over world they hate muslem. we are muslem to and our armenian brothers are christian & we have no probleme whit each other. we are 55 million strong in IRAN we are watching you . like i said befor WE ARE GOING TO RISE WITH ARMENIAN BROTHERS ONE DAY & FUCK THE TURK GOOD .YOU MOTHER FUCKER FEELTY GARBIJE TURK AZERIE COCKSUCER DESSENDENCE OF TIMOUR LUNG MOTHER KAHBA ZANJE KOUNY HAYVAN OGLANJY TURK PAZAVANG.... &&&& COCKSUCER . VIVA ARMENIA VIVA IRAN

look at me hamid.iran and armenian people are fuck of nation you like penis very much. beccause all of you are homosexual. you are the two nations created to be fucked. sizler sikilmeye mahkumsunuz

Well I just wanted to say that I love the mothers of the chat moderators!!! aand also their sisters too stop bein a p * u * c and talk to ppl instead of kicking out. elav ara jahelner

hallo armenian brothers & sisters i am iranian i love armenian people. iranian and armenians are very oid people we had kingdom and we have long history. but turk & azerie they have NO ROUTS... THEY ARE DESSENDANCE OF TIMUR LANG GARBIJE & CRIMINALS. all the land that they call turkey & azerbayjan belong to armenians & iranians... one day IRAN & ARMENIA going to RISE TOGETER & WE WILL FUCK THE TURK IN THE ASS .

ulan fahi�e �ocu�u . herkes ermeni sikiyor.tarih boyunca sikilmi��iniz ,bir de biz siksek ne olur yani ,bi taraf�n m� eksilir. minareden atlar�m anann�n am�na saplar�m

el-yakub sanen anaian amana sokajam. sanen avrade bajene gotendan sikajam you motherfucker turk azerie gotveran you only dream to fuck armenian girl you fucken fagett assholl. but me i allready fucked turk and azerie girls.you must know they are big fucken whoors.mayret eshe koune oroussbou zavag turk millad gotveran millad... VIVA ARMANISDAN GETSE HAYASDAN

varo, senin anan�n am�ndan girer, sonra da zevkten z�plat�r�m. unutma sen bir orospu �ocu�usun.baban belli de�il this nigt I will fuck an armenian girl until the morning

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hey magbet azerie assholl you say N. KARABAKH belongs to azeries... who the fuck you thing azeries came from.. you have no ruts no historie... you are desendance of tatar.. timur lang.. you are the cream of the garbige and dirt... so called azerbaidjan did not exsist... all that land was armenian land.. we were living in peace till the time u came and fuckup evrithing u fucking azerie mother fucker and that goes to your cousins turks

hey elaj you say bad things about armenian girls. what you know about girls you fucking assholl faget you have never seen apussy coz you are gotverane oglanjie and the bigest hoors (kahpa sharmouta) are turk and azerie woman. how do i know if you ask... coz ifucked many of your wifes sisters and even your bitch mothers. coz all your men are homosexuel cocksucers gotverane kapir... turk istiyor esheyen yarake gotendan.... LONG LIVE ARMENIA

hey el=yakup turk gotveran sanen anane sikajam this is armenian site get the fuck off you turkish dirt. long live armenia getse hayassdan.

jony this message is for you . we will never forget the past you funcking assholl turk. if we are weak so howcome we fucked you so good in azerbaijan . you gotveran pazavang ibnas gotenessikim turk ya kalb ebn sharmoutta

this message is to all fucken turks. you fucken turkish mother fukers , you come to Armenian site and you have the funcking nervs to tell genocide did not happen. When 1914 you killed Armenians you sluthered women,children and old people because you lied to the men , by taken them away to offer them job supposely. If the Armenians mens were there we were going to kick your fucking ass. The only place you could not do this; a place called Jabalmussa. This is where my father is from. We cut you in pieces and we eat you for breakfeast . When you came to Jabalmussa 1915, you found out what was Armenian and today in Karapagh you fuckin Azeries , you lost against regular people with regular arms. Why..... because the mens were there to fight, not only women,children were there. So dont fuckin come on this site and talking about that it never happen, and DONT FORGET ; THE DAY WILL COME. We will fuck you up your ass you motherfucker Turks. So fuck off.

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can�m ermeni am� yalamak istiyor

i mean this------http://www.iwpr.net/index.pl? archive/cau/cau_200305_179_3_eng.txt

hey f#@khead. read this and f#@k off------ http://www.iwpr.net/index.pl?caucasus_200305.html

hahaha, fucking around is what you call develope, hahah. Keep your heads up armenian girls, coz if your men doesnt disagree of you filthy behaviour there is nothing wrong about it, coz according to them you are developing and becoming more civilaized

hahahaha,farmer, hahahah, is that what you(GOD) call people with self respect and dignity. hhahaha the only thing you loosers have is your so called religion. And you loooooooosers cant even respect the rules you are supposed to live by. Armenian girls were the greatest whores in soviet, if i�v understood it right your girls are supposed to be virgins when you marrie, but no no that is not the fact ith armenians. So face it, your people is nothing but trash

first off, Elaj is a dumb foold who is just mad because armenian farmers were able to defeat the "highly trained" azeri army (and i use the words "highly trained" VERY lightly").... armenians own and are the greatest. .... ppl try coming here to put us down from their own jealousy!.... keep your heads up, be proud to be armenian! azeri's will never get their land back! HAHAH YOU GOT OWNED AZERBAIJAN!!

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would you mind also putting the link to that brittish report?

read my posts carefully (nothing to do with the maps you presented)--------- too bad you didn't even follow the links------------that shows how ignorant you are and one sided

hey moron. read my posts carefully. """"""'Map of the Republic of Azerbaijan as presented to the Paris Peace Conference in 1919."""""""" Presented but not approved. you can use that map as toilet paper"""""""""" where is your historic azerbaijan? never existed. dream on sucker.------------------this is how historical proofs should look like--------- now i'll recommend you read some stuff written by ancient historians (who acutally were armenia's enemies) about armenia. i'll give u few names to start with , Heroditus (5th century BC),Thysedides (4th century BC), plato------------------------------ ---------------and visit those non armenian web sites for some historic maps. ------------------------------- http://people.bu.edu/asa/metshyeastan.gif--------------- http://www.uoregon.edu/~atlas/europe/static/map10.jpg------- -- http://www.roman-empire.net/maps/empire/provinces/trajan/gra phics/armenia-24.gif--------- http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~vandersp/Courses/maps/detailf.jp g------------- http://www.raremaps.com/maps/big/4704.jpg------- http://www.raremaps.com/maps/big/0552.jpg------- http://www.raremaps.com/maps/big/1712.jpg------- http://www.raremaps.com/maps/big/0733.jpg------- http://www.raremaps.com/maps/big/3186.jpg------- http://www.raremaps.com/maps/big/1850.jpg------- http://www.raremaps.com/maps/big/2344.jpg------- http://www.raremaps.com/maps/big/9248.jpg------- http://www.raremaps.com/maps/big/1244.jpg------- http://www.raremaps.com/maps/big/2754.jpg------- http://www.raremaps.com/maps/big/9375r.jpg------------------ ------ http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Images/Chicago/hewsen62.gif--- ------ http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Images/Chicago/hewsen119.gif-- ------ http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Images/Chicago/hewsen91.gif--- ------ ------------------------------------------------------------ ------

British Lancaster University/ reports in 1995 The official investigation proved a total of 32 people killed, from which 6 were Azerbaijani, and 26 Armenian. Reliable Armenian sources confirm these figures, such as a book published in Yerevan in September 1989. It was a transcript of the press-conference organized by the Armenian "Gushamatian" society and Armenian Union of Journalists on September 23rd in Yerevan. It is also important to note that the head of the Sumgait mob was...Armenian, Edik Grigoryan, who was identified by his Armenian victims, and sentenced to imprisonment. However, he has then been transferred to a prison somewhere in Russia, and all traces perished.- 1987 - October - First meeting in Yerevan (Armenia) took place with challenges to annex the Nagorno-Karabakh Autonomous region (NKAR) of the Azerbaijan Soviet Socialist Republic to the Armenian Soviet Socialist Republic (SSR). - 1988 - January 25 - Exodus of Azerbaijanis living in the Armenian SSR began. February 22-23 - The first meetings in Baku and Sumgait took place with a slogan: "NKAR is the integral part of Azerbaijan". February 24 - For the first time, in the course of the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict blood was shed: in NKAR two Azerbaijanis were killed. February 27 - Strikes started in NKAR with the demand to be separated from Azerbaijan. February 28-29 - Pogroms and massive disorders in Sumgait took place. There were people, among the organisers of pogroms, of Armenian Nationality. March 18 - Plenary Session of NKAR's regional Committee adopted a decision on annexation of NKAR to Armenia. March 24 - Central Committee of the Soviet Communist Party and Council of Ministers adopted a resolution "On measures for speeding up the social-economic development of NKAR of the Azerbaijan SSR in 1988-1995". The first decade of May - More than one thousand Azerbaijani refugees, deported from Armenia, came to Azerbaijan. May 18 - Meetings took place in Baku as a sign of protest against ejection of Azerbaijanis from Armenia. The first decade of June - Discrimination acts against Azerbaijanis in NKAR broke out. In a few days about 2.000 people were ejected. June 14 - According to State Committee on Statistics of Azerbaijan four more thousand refugees fled to the Republic. The last decade of June - Ejection of Azerbaijanis from Armenia is going on. July 12 - The Session of People's Deputies of the Regional Soviet in NKAR adopted an anti-constitutional decision on separation from the Azerbaijani SSR. July 13 - Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the Azerbaijani SSR considered the decision of the session of the Regional Soviet from July 12, 1988, as an illicit act. July 18 - The enlarged meeting of the Presidium of the USSR's Supreme Soviet endorsed NKAR as belonging to the Azerbaijani SSR. September 3-21 - Series of terrorist acts against Azerbaijanis in NKAR, setting out fire to houses and killing peaceful Azerbaijani population in Stepanakert. November 18 - December 5 - Meetings took place in Baku with the demand to put an end to terrorist acts against Azerbaijanis in NKAR. November 24 - The State of Emergency was announced in Baku, Nakhchivan, Ganja. November 27-29 - As a result of anti-Azerbaijani massacres 33 Azerbaijanis were killed in the cities of Gugark, Spitak and Stepanavan of the Armenian SSR. The second part of December - Exodus of Azerbaijanis from Armenia. More than 105 thousand refugees fled to Azerbaijan from the Armenian SSR. http://www.azer.com/aiweb/categories/magazine/61_folder/61_ articles/61_chronology.html, in this site u will see that the Map oF the Republic of Azerbaijan was presented to the paris peace conference in 1919 as u wished to see the map between 1918 1920, there we go, Now u can see where is karabax. i can even see armenia there hahahahaha. so dream on. about the pogroms in sumgait, u already read i hope in my article, i never said we were answering u, maybe i did not making it clear to u, that we were answering to u at the scene when it was u making all the trouble in sumgait and in baku. u alsao killed azeris there to make us rise up against the armenians, and therefore u found a very good reason in occupying Karabax, with A MAJOR HELP of Russia, with no doubts. Dont tell me that i being propogondosized. and dont tell me about my age, not realizing what was happening. i am 23, and u r younger than me, cos i know u, and i have seen ur pic, u r sitting in some computer cafe looking in computer right? so u shov ur stupid Khojaly facts up ur asss. no armenian ever lived in khojaly, and all those massacred were the azeris, not u. the british press has an official report on this. u armenians know that u were wrong in occupying someoneelse land, this is not seen anywhere to occupie some country's land. I MEAN DO U REALLY THINK THAT U HAVE DONE SUCH A RIGHT THING IN TAKING OVER OUR LAND, ++++++ KILLING PEOPLE, MASSACRING BABIES WOMEN. HA? THIS IS ABNORMAL, U WROTE SOME SITE IN UR ARICLE ABOUT AZERI TEROORISM, shov that up ur ass as well. thats just a bs, made up by armenians, and no one even mentions it anywhere in any country. BUT EVERYONE IS AWARE OF A S A L A, DONT U? they even were in karabax war helping u. anyways i am tired of going over the real facts, which whole the world know, the EUROPEAN COMMITEE HAS EXCEPTED U AS A THREATING COUNTRY. do u know that? BRITIAN OFFICIALLY EXCEPTED THAT AS WELL. ITS BASICALY UR FRENCH FRIENDS WHERE UR LOOBY IS SO STRONG THAT U PAY THEM TO BE IN UR SITE, BUT EVEN THEY I TELL U THAT R ON OUR SIDE. Basically u guys will lose soon, u dont need karabax anyways and u know that. Armenians will not live comfortably in a foreign land, and they dont today u can see. Karabax Nash Bil Nash Budet Nashim.YASHASIN AZERBAYCAN.

the site was www.khojaly.net not www.khojaly.com . just wanted to point out that i did actually visit the site

looks like one of the other links has moved too: (the one about getashen) http://www.memo.ru/hr/hotpoints/

one of the links i posted has moved to :http://www.eurasianet.org/departments/rights/articles/pp021 603_pr.shtml

first off read the first part of my post again where it says proove that karabakh was your's historically. there has been no country called azerbaijan historically, how can "irevan" be part of a historic azerbaijan? ----------- if you have a map of a historic azerbaijan, post it too. ---------------------- i won't give you my email cuz i don't want it filled with junk. you can post the link to the map(s) here.--------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------ ----- i want a map which is made between 1918 and 1920------------------why? because there was this azeri guy once that showed me a map made in 1990's which supposedly showed the borders of azerbaijan in 1918---------------------------- it doesn't have to be a map. just show me some proof that other countries recognized karabakh as part of azerbaijan in 1918--------------------------------------------- as far as it goes to the historic part i very much doubth that you can show me a map that has azerbaijan as an independent country which includes karabakh in it's territory ----------------------------------- -------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------- I don't quite get it r you saying that you were not the ones how started the war?-------------- the thing is that armenians tried to do it peacfully but you just wouldn't give it up. So you should be careful to distinguish between starting the war and wanting to seceed. Armenians took up arms after some villages were raided. you should keep in mind that those were the soviet times. here's a links ----------------------http://www.memo.ru/hr/hotpoints/karaba h/GETASHEN/ENG/chapter1.htm ----------- ----------http://www.un.org/documents/ga/docs/52/plenary/a52 -85.htm----------- ----------------------------------------------------------- -------------------quote "its u people who instantly rised up in many towns of azerbaijan"---------------------- that's funny. Do you even realize what you're saying? Obveously you're very young to remembr the events and rely only on the propoganda of your parents.------------ http://www.armenians.com/Genocide/Sumgait/-------------- http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node=Garry%20Kasparov--- -------- -------------You are so ill informed that you don't realize what you're talking about------------http://www.eurasianet.org/departments/right s/articles/pp021603.shtml-------------- -------just do a search on google "sumgait pogrom" -------- "baku pogrom" ----- and tell me how many FOREIGN sources (not armenian or azeri) talk about it?---------------- None says armenians took up arms and azeris "answered". None supports your version. I'ts just a little version that you made up in desperation----------------------at least think and do some research before you talk. i guess that'll be too hard for you-------------------------- ---------------i know about those 10000 armenians in baku. but i also know that most of them are old people who don't have anywere to go, people who change their last names to russian to avoid being harrassed, intermarried couples. -------------------- do some research. don't just sit there and assume only the good things about azerbaijan. as though you are the most nonracist nation on earth -------------- here's some help ------------ http://www.iwpr.net/index.pl?archive/cau/cau_200205_129_3_en g.txt----------- http://www.iwpr.net/index.pl?archive/cau/cau_200304_174_3_en g.txt----------- http://www.525ci.com/2003/04/16/anonsen.php?m=1---------- **************************************************** now about kojali i'm providing you with a simple example that was mistakenly not ommited in an azeri propogandist site. ----------------- quote: ------------------------------------------------------------ -------------------- Yavar Aliyev, 7 years, bullet wound in hand and chest. "When the shooting began we went down into the neighbors basement. Then we ran to the forest." Yavar`s mother, Naciba Aliyeva. "There were 40 people with us. We tried to escape. Near the bridge there were about 50-armed men in the uniform of OMON (special police detachment). They called us in Azeri, we became glad and ran towards them and only then realized that they began shooting us. From 40 people only 14 remained alive". ------------------------------------------------------------ -------------------- http://www.khojaly.org.az:8101/genocide.html ------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------------- so you can shove those videos up your ass ------------------------------- you think there were no dead armenians? just the azeris died? it was a war. there were innocent casualties on both sides, but as far as it goes to claiming it was an organized massacre in khojali, that's bs. in the first link i provided it also talks about other regions of karabakh. Mind telling why khojali was an isolated incident? -------------------------------------------------- i could also put links to sites that accuse azeris of wrongdoings. if you doubht, there------------- http://www.cilicia.com/Ethniccleansing.htm--------- http://www.cilicia.com/Convenience.htm------------ http://www.cilicia.com/Azeriterrorism.htm---------- http://www.umd.umich.edu/dept/armenian/facts/karabagh.html-- ------ http://www.memo.ru/hr/hotpoints/karabah/GETASHEN/ENG/chapter 1.htm ------------ ---------------------------------see those are not armenian sites (except cilicia.com) but the contents at cilicia.com aren't written by armenians. they are written by caroline cox.--------------------------the point is, it was a war. if you're unable to realize what war is and what consequences it can have on the civilian population then you're just lying to yourself. as far as it goes to wrongdoings, i'm sure both sides could point out some events. it doesn't even have to be armenians vs azeris. it's like that in any war.

ohh i forgot, the problem is i dont know how to post the map in here, so if u dont mind robo telling me ur email

bla bla bla. u robo dont even know what u r saying, and even u r sdtarting to lie to my face. u want facts, okay my friend here we go some facts. 1992 february 26th, Khojaly, massacre of the town, babies, women, old men. how culd i prove it????? well u culd see the pics, they r not so old to make u be suspicious about them. many videos in www.khojaly.com, filmed by Chinkiz Mustafayev. u culd watch that, and dont tell me u will say it is a propaganda. what do u mean by saying we started the war for not loosing karabax? its u people who instantly rised up in many towns of azerbaijan, such as u say sumgait, baku and ganja and u were the ones starting conflict in these regions. we were answering u. and all the lies u r saying about doctors in baku not helping armenians, u can shuff that up ur ass. do u have any facts ha? what can u tell me, what facts can u give me? u think u r right and we r wrong? If we were the ones to start war, our people in karabax wuld not die, we wont lose karabax, and today we wont have refugees of more than 1 million. do u have refugees? NO U DONT. cos we never kicked people out of our poeple, they left themselves. even today believe or not, we have about 10,000 armenians in azerbaijan. but u have no azeris there in armenia. we dont have a discrimination for any nation. so robo, u really want to see the map with ur eyes?, sure my frnd, but i dont really understand u want the map which is after 1918? or before? well to prove my point i have a map of 1920 which i think u ask after 1918. u can clearly see where is karabax, and ii can assure u that its a map done by russians not azeris. so put it in your eyes, and plus you can also see that there is no armenia there, there is the kingdom of irevan which was part of azerbaijan before

correction: after 1918 and before 1920

and one more thing. do you mind providing a link to the so called map of 1918. and make sure it's not made AFTER 1918 and it's NOT made by azeris

deam. not again. you know what i'm not gonna start the same thing about karabakh again. if you're so eager to proove karabakh was your's then proove it with facts otherwise don't bother. and don't bother using such crap as what you called the armenian regions like "irevan" etc. Although it was called so by NON armenians it does not mean it EVER belonged to azeris. So in your "proofs" i'd appreciate if you showed me facts that proove without a doubht that karabakh belonged to azerbaijan. (not for a short period) but that it is HISTORICALLY the land of azeris -------------------------------------------------- you said " if we were the ones that started it why shuld we have to lose karabax." -------- you don't want to loose karabakh because you were the ones who started it? well why are you bothering to accuse armenians of starting a war if you're actually admitting it? ---------- " baku, sumgait, and ganja sobitiya, happend after the sobitiya in Spitak of 1988." --------- let us assume that you're right. in the so called sobitias of spitak the police intervened and protected the azeris from a HANDFUL of people. unlike in baku, sumgait, and kirovabad. where not only the police, but the doctors did nothing to help armenians. and the mobs that attacked armenins were not just a handfull of people but many mobs. I should mention that SOME azeris helped their armenian neighbours escape the nutheads.------------------------------ oh and the websites you mentioned are nothing but propogandists sites intended bor people who WANT to believe it

Listen robo, who ever u r. ive read your statement, about the karabax belonging to armenians. dont even think about bringing armenia somewher near to caucasus, just dont even dream about it. armenia never existed until the 20th century after russians developed for u nice little country. not even karabx belongs to azerbaijan, but the entire todays armenia is ours. who ever illed YOU with this karabax lies being urs is someone fool himself to say such a thing. Do u know what is Mugham? Mugham is the folklor traditional style of music of Only Azerbaijan. and the heart of Mugham is located in Karabakh. Mugham has been existed for more than 7 centuries. and how could u tell me that karabax necer belonged to u. open the maps that have been published by the french, russians and british as far as i know, of 1800's and u will see to whom does karabax belong to. u say that soviet has given it to us right? how fool u r saying it. ok? listen then, soviet union has been exsited after 1917 revolution right? just have a look at the map where azerbaijan was independed democratic country in 1918 jus when it was breaken out of the Tsarist rule in russia, and u will see that Zangezur, where megri is, Half of Sevan and plus the Karabax is in the Azeri Teritory and not in the NON EXISTING AT THAT TIME SO CALLED ARMENIA. u culd maybe start telling me about the Great Armenia, but dont even try that, cos u will lose and the whole armenian nation swims in these imaginations, that was pretended to be happened. u tell Huseyn to live in the reality right? NO, its u who shuld live in reality. baku, sumgait, and ganja sobitiya, happend after the sobitiya in Spitak of 1988. u started it and u know it, its jus u dont want to admit it. if we were the ones that started it why shuld we have to lose karabax. SO IT WAS U WHO ATTACKED KARABAX AND TOOK IT FROM US. U DID NOT JUS TAKE IT, U MASSACRED PEOPLE IN KHOJALY AND OTHER PLACES. GO TO WWW.KHOJALY.NET, OR ORG AND U WILL SE THE TRUTH. U robo listen , soon very soon u will be kick3ed out from karabax. the victory is ours. WE BELIEVE IN ALLAH AND ALLAH INSHALLAH WILL HELP US TO GET KARABAX BACK.

well llike most azeris you seem to be ill informed. i'll make this short. armenian's didn't start the war but simply wanted independence from azerbaijan. karabakh always belonged to armenians and azeris didn't have a right on it. you may argue about that, but it's no use trust me. azeris with the help of then the sovied government tried to quiet down the claims for independence by raiding few villages in karabakh. armenain's took arms to protect themselves and achieve freedom. -------------------------- now if azeris just let it go there wouldn't be war would there? why don't you think that way instead of trying to criticize the armenians? ------------------------ why don't you critisize azeris for the pogroms in sumgait, baku, kirovabad that further intensified relations. and what did armenans do to be treated taht way? just because armenians in karabakh wanted to seceed? --------------- you need to get in touch with reality. i'm not saying this as an insult but as an advice

I am sorry for you guys who participate in this chat .21 century haveto be be century of peace and mercy. But the thing that you write it is shame. Armenians who lived in azerbaijan had wondefull life and shame for the people who started this war because in result of this war suffered many simple people. Armenian killed a lot of azers during last century. But they poisoned life of thosands simple armenians who lived in Caucasus. If armenian did nopt start wa everything would be gread and caucasus woulld develop. But thought about creating big armenian poisoned life of people if you will not stop conflict now many people will suffer.

thong and ear cutting or pulling eyes out hasnt taken place since the karabakh war. to the best of my knowledge. but i've eard of some such events in baku and sumgait pogroms and during karabakh war

I have heard of numerous attrocities and injustis in Armenia. I'm doing some research on such things for school. I'm doing a report regarding torture and maiming of the people of this region. Is or has there been a practice by police, army, any culturally acceptable punishment for crimes, to beatings, cutting ones tongue out, or torture. If anyone has any information sources I could access it would be appreciated.

ARMENIAN CHURCH DENIES AZERI ALLEGATIONS ETCHMIADZIN, SEPTEMBER 10, ARMENPRESS: The press office of the Armenian Apostolic Church has denied reports by Azerbaijani Trend and Russian Interfax news agencies, which claimed that Allahsukur Pasazade, the spiritual leader of Caucasian Muslims, seated in Baku, sent a letter to Karekin II, the head of Armenian Church asking him "to undertake measures to stop destruction of historical and cultural monuments located in Azerbaijani territories now occupied by Armenian forces of Nagorno Karabagh." The Armenian Church said the Pasazade's letter was actually a response to an earlier letter sent by Karekin II in which the Armenian Catholicos called on the Muslim spiritual leader to use his authority and ask Azeri authorities to stop demolition of Armenian cultural and historical monuments, particulalry, cross stones, in Azerbaijani exclave Nakhichevan. In his response letter Pasazade claims that Armenian monuments in Nakhichevan, which bear inscriptions in Armenian, belong to the Christian culture of Caucasian Albania and cites as a counterargument the alleged demolition of "hundreds" of Azeri monuments in Nagorno Karabagh and adjacent regions. Archbishop Pargev Martirosian, head of Karabagh Diocese, was asked to comment on these allegations. He said that no monuments were destroyed in Karabagh and neighbor regions after 1990-s war actions. The Armenian Church said that such accusations do not help numerous efforts and particulalry, by Alexis II, the head of Russian Orthodox Church, to establish stability and peace in this region. Alexander Rotes mentions the Jugha cemetery in his description of journeys in 1648 and reports 10,000 fully decorated cross stones. In 1605, the Armenian people of Jugha (or Julfa) were forced by Shah Abbas to settle in Persia in order to develop trade and commerce in his country. He destroyed the town to prevent their return , however he left the cemetery untouched. At the beginning of the 20th century, 6000 reclining and standing Khachkars could still be counted. After Armenia was incorporated into the Soviet Union, Nakhichevan in the south of Armenia was annexed to Azerbaijan at Stalin's and Lenin's behest in 1922. Nakhichevan is still under Azerbaijani sovereignty. During the Soviet reign, this historically and culturally unique cemetery of Julfa was not at all under the protection of those responsible for the historical monuments of Azerbaijan. On the contrary, after 1922 a large number of Khachkars disappeared. Considering the close watch of the border in what was an inaccessible military zone, this could not have happened without the government's knowledge. And more destruction was yet to come. In November 1998, eyewitnesses on the Iranian border, observed tombstones being excavated by a crane and loaded on railroad wagons on the cemetery grounds across the river Araxes. The ground was ripped up then flattened again by bulldozers. This destruction lasted for three weeks and about 800 khachkars were taken away. There is reason to believe that these cross stones? if not destroyed right away? were used as building material for foundations of new houses in order to hide their removal. Transportation by the state railway is clear evidence that this was a planned action by the government of Azerbaijan. Protests on behalf of UNESCO and affiliated organizations did finally put a stop to these barbarous activities. It is a travesty that the decimation is going on still. Reliable sources have informed us that in November, 2002, the destruction not only of tombs but also of the still remaining (although already reduced) churches and cloister grounds in the area have been resumed. A great number of workmen are again dismantling valuable relics of medieval Armenian culture partly by demolishing them and partly by taking them away on trucks to an unknown destination. Again, an activity of this magnitude can't be conducted without the permission of the government. One can't avoid drawing a parallel to the destruction of the Buddha statues by the Talibans in Afghanistan which were accompanied by a world wide protest. This, too is the systematic obliteration of religious and historic monuments, for the purpose of doing away with all evidence of the existence of the Armenians on these historic lands. Azerbaijan should be called upon to account for its violations of international agreements, including those with UNESCO and the Council of Europe on protection of cultural monuments.

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Another proof that Russia did not do anything to stop this, as you get it from the soldier who was there (Dmitry V. Leontiev):Spring 1998 (6.1)"In 1987, a few weeks before the Nagorno Karabakh conflict started, I was transferred to the Zyria Brigade of the Anti-Aircraft Defense, where I continued my service as a sergeant on one of the isolated points near the Damba settlement on the very tip of Absheron peninsula. Our staff was very limited and that's why we were never involved in any kind of operations related to the conflict (thank God!) but, rather, spent most of our time in front of the radar screen performing meaningless activities that the Soviet Army was so famous for.In the fall of 1988, I was transferred to the town of Gousan (Russian "Govsany") where I served as a "drill sergeant" for almost a year, teaching hundreds of draftees. My commanders were very lenient and gave us drill sergeants freedom that the other soldiers and sergeants could only dream of. Each of us were allowed to leave the base and visit Gousan or Surakhani several times a week.To tell you the truth, it was really sad to see towns in Azerbaijan flooded with arrogant "Spetznaz" soldiers. [Spetznaz was the acronym for "Special Purposes" forces, which included the most highly trained killers from all four branches of the armed forces (navy, army, marines and air force).]At the same time, I was amazed by the hospitality and cheerfulness of the local people. My friends and I were always welcomed by Azerbaijani people and given pastries and fruits, in spite of our Russian origin.Once, my commander organized a tour to Surakhani to see the ancient fire temple outside Baku. It was (and, I hope, still is) a beautiful masterpiece of pre-Islamic architecture. To my great surprise, I found numerous writings on the walls in a script that was neither Arabic nor (of course) Cyrillic. It was then that I started asking my Azerbaijani soldiers about the history of their land.Unfortunately, all I could gather from them was the fact that Azerbaijan was divided between Soviet Union, Iran and Turkey, and some stories about the hero Babak who fought against Arabian conquerors in the 7th century.It wasn't until today when reading your article that I got a clear explanation about the history of the Azerbaijani alphabet! Thank you very much for your article.I wish your wonderful country freedom and prosperity and hope to visit it someday again-this time without a uniform.Dmitry V. LeontievWayne State University School of MedicineIndiana"

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http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?ammem/cowellbib:armenian

"According to what you are saying is that all countries should fight each other because at some point land belonged to them and vise versa."-----THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M SAYING AT ALL. I WAS JUST ANSWERING YOUR QUESTION WHY PEOPLE CAN'T LIVE IN PEACE.------------"That is what I am saying here that it is up to us to put an end to this."----i'll agree with you on that, but in order for this to end justice is needed. rather than using it's power in advantage of justice, US for example uses it in it's advantage. and it's been so and will be so for at least several hundred years.

"If we want to get our things back don't you think we should understand that nothing can be accomplished by force?"-- as much as i'd like to see things be that way, unfortunately they aren't. You think azeris would give karabakh on a silver plate back to us? try explaining your view to azeris. i can almost gurantee to you that you want have any luck.----------"If you steal my computer I must take legal actions"------that's what i'm saying. assume there's no law enforcement because it is true when refering to who concurs whose lands. example. US iraq.to the best of my knowledge eraqis get free oil but if US get's control of the oil fields you bet they're gonna pay for it. try explaining iraqis that they shouldn't fight because it will produce more bloodshed, or try explaining it to US corporate giants.--------------i have a queston for you. let us assume the war stops at this very point. you think iraqis should try to drive the americans out? or should they say hey come my brothers i will still love you and forgive you for bombing us to stonage because all humans are brothers. not gonna happen. try explaining that to israelis or to palestinians.---the point i'm trying to make is that it's the human nature, and the world is not disneyland. it's not just in the heads of corrupt leaders but also in the heads of brainwashed people. in some cases theose people are not brainwashed they simply think (based on facts) that this or that thing belongs to them and they're gonna try to protect it or get it back. (iraqis for example). same with the example of stealing your computer. eventually you're gonna say enough. as much as people stole from me, i'm not gonna let that happen again, and you will (i think) try to get your stuff back. how appropriate do you think it would be for someone to say don't try to get it back because they're your brothers. so this must imply that you're a donkey working your ass out all day and you MUST forgive because they're your brothers? It's not gonna happen. it's the way people are. it's human and animal nature. people are not grass. people have thirst for justice in those cases. and some have thirst for other's belongings.-------------since the god is that which turthers a persons real interests, it follows that in any give case when the good is konwn, men will seek it (plato).-------the good may be having possession of other peoples belongings for some, for others' it may be what you try to describe the ----"The essence of life is to make things for the better"--------to make things better, and when somone takes into what you put so much you're not going to tolorate since you try to make life better.--------i'll repeat myself again (and you don't have to agree with me necesseraly you have your beliefs i have mine) that life is such and maybe few people like you are honestly willing to make it disneyland but thre's always going to be someone that will spoil it. you simply can't make it happen since we don't live in paradise where there's no evil. and if you really stick to your ideology that one shouldn't try to protect his resources then you don't need life and you won't be able to live life for long.

All I am trying to say is that in order for us to start moving into the right direction we need to have an understanding that thieves live on both sides. There is not such thing as "well, he is my brother so he is not a �thieve� and all his actions are justified". If we want to get our things back don't you think we should understand that nothing can be accomplished by force? If you steal my computer I must take legal actions and not blow your brains out or even worse kill your family. When I said land belongs to them who live on it, it is exactly what I meant. According to what you are saying is that all countries should fight each other because at some point land belonged to them and vise versa. What US are doing is completely unjust, I will agree with you on that. At the same time, I would like you to note that 1/3 of Americans against the war while the other 2/3 are acting as if they defend their country because it is being under attack of chem.(retards). and bio weapons. This is due to corrupt country leaders such as Aliev the president of Azerbajan who was the first to support US attacks. UN failed and crashed because there was a degree of corruption in it. That is what I am saying here that it is up to us to put an end to this. If we would understand each other and looked upon another as brothers then we can come to an agreement. The essence of life is to make things for the better, putting things right when they are wrong and not to complain about it, use excuses or worse by trying to instigate things. And another thing, did you see all the things that went on during that time? Did you loose your home? Did you live thru this as a refugee or you just stood there and commented form the side lines? Just wondering..

correction: essence of life

"always were and will be until a firm order comes from the top government officials punishing those trouble makers"--------------------------------i don't think that time will ever come. people are greedy. look at US for example. they're the most powerful but they use the power in their advantage not to everyones advantage.--------------"This brings back to my point that our government wanted this to happen and people as sheep bought into this idea fight for land."-------i'm not exactly sure what you're getting at, but if it's about karabakh then it was more than just land. first of all stalin shoudn'tve given it to azeris. The whole thing that started it was mostly the land issue, but this goes back to the concept of "theif" saying i owe your house. you're gonna try to get it back aren't you? Let me put another example. let's say i come to your house and take your compter. since according to your concept that the land belongs to those who live on it, then you shouldn't try to get your computer back because i posses it now. if you do it i will resist (let's say there's no low inforcment, which is actually true in the broader sence of the concering lands), thus should not try to get it back because it we both might get hurt. i think you got my point now.--------------------"If you know much about Lions then you should also know that they turn against each other on instincts such as aggression, dominance and food."--------that's what i'm saying. PEOPLE ARE GREEDY. and sadly sheep follow it. but my point is that it's not greed when you try to get your stuff back, it's the concept of trying to protect what belongs to you. that's why the accurate konwledge of history is important. because we need to realize the truth to prevent mor bloodshed. i guess it's a vicious cicly. since it will bring more bloodshed, but survival is the concept of the life i guess

I think you are proving my point again. Let me bring an example so that you can understand a little better on what I am trying to say here. I guess you live in US based on your post, correct? So, if all the different ethnic groups stood up and said this is my territory what do you think will happen? There are some occasional grinds between them but people in US understand that no one benefits from it. People that get out of line and don�t get it are punished by what law dictates. This brings stability and everyone is happy because a few trouble makers don�t have a chance to spoil it for the rest. You wrote that �thieves� taking people�s houses but thieves are just that �thieves� they will take what doesn�t belong to them and do this crime at the most convenient for them time. What was missing at that time was law enforcement at the scene doing their job. We know that local law enforcement is corrupt, always were and will be until a firm order comes from the top government officials punishing those trouble makers. This brings back to my point that our government wanted this to happen and people as sheep bought into this idea fight for land. You also mentioned Lions protecting what belongs to them and all that. If you know much about Lions then you should also know that they turn against each other on instincts such as aggression, dominance and food. The hunt together but then when it is time to eat their prey, they fight for it, a lot like �thieves� or criminal organization.I do know what it is like to hide in basement at age of 7 and loose my home to jealous neighbors. I am angry but at people that responsible for letting this happen and not at the whole race.

ARMENIAN MONUMENTS DESTRUCTED IN AZERBAIJAN YEREVAN, MARCH 26, ARMENPRESS: Armenian foreign minister Vartan Oskanian severely criticized today the authorities in neighboring Azerbaijan for systematic demolition of Armenian architectural and historical monuments located in its territory. Speaking at conference convened by National Academy of Sciences and prompted by alarming reports about thousands of Armenian monuments being destroyed in Azerbaijan , the minister said the conference is emphasized by Armenian authorities not only in terms of culture but also of politics. The focus of the conference was on Armenian monuments in Azerbaijan's autonomous republic of Nakhichevan, where according to confirmed reports, thousands of Armenian khachkars (cross stones) were destroyed by Azerbaijanis. The minister said he had sent a letter to UNESCO last year requesting that a commission be dispatched to the region to see the state of Armenian monuments. UNESCO sent a delegation, the demolition was stopped for a while but after it left destruction resumed at a bigger scale. In conclusion he said Armenian authorities are doing what is possible to stop destruction of Armenian monuments in Azerbaijan.http://armenpress.am/eng/news/culture.htm

here're couple of articles regarding armenian aryanism.http://www.searchgodsword.org/enc/isb/view.cgi?number=T741 -------------------- http://www.usanogh.com/articles/article.php?story_id=155-----------------------------------------------------------to that hitler again. so according to your logic iranians are nazis too?

oh and to mr hitler. what you're using here is abbomenim abusive fallacie. if you understand the meaning of it then you should understand that your argument carries no weight, but is nothing more than a pathetic attempt to offend a whole nation

correction: that you call your home

kavkazets i agree with some of your views, but i think that you'r missing the point. take for example lions. they have their own territory their own "wifes", when another lion or animal traspasses they charge at it. it comes from the basic instincts of survival that every living thing has.when you own you house and a theif comes to your howse and tells you to that it belongs to him, you don't give him the keys do you? because you invested so much you have so many memories of that place that you all your home. let's say he forces you out, you still will try to get it back, even if circumstances are such that you can't do much about it you don't simply say oh well.------------------------------------------ anyway i think you've gotten on the wrong fot there thinking that someone has been trying to justify killings by tying things to history. history has in fact a lot to do with the present. --------------------- the fact is that no matter how sincere you believe that the land belongs to no one, is not something that either side is going to accept. that's the way humanity is and that's the way of life, every living thing tryes to protect it's resources. and some try to get it from others--------------------------------------------------------------------------------- regarding to the comment of hitler. nice try you stupid turk

hi dear sir iam poor student , studying in kirgyzia plz sir some site sending my mail address sir i applying in study in scalar ship ok sir by reply message ,,parwez ahmad memon kirgyzstan

parwez ahmad memon

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Hay, antonio damiao, i think you got lost because are in the wrong forum/message board. But I feel sorry for your parents.

Reading posts by people that try to justify acts of killing with bits of historical events, I cannot help myself feeling sorry for you. The only thing you�ve proven here is the fact that history is only good as its source. Even if you get the most credible history facts, what will it prove? I am sure you will find that neither Azeri nor Armenians have a legal owner right to the land they live on today. So be honest with yourself and others; go way, way back in history where you will find that Armenians, Azeri, Turks, and other nationalities never existed. People had one race as human beings and still have killed each other for food, wealth and power. People always blame their problems on other people and it is always convenient for them to blame it on people that are �different� in any convenient for them way. If you where honest enough, you would agree with me on the fact that there are rotten people in every nationality. Don�t make a mistake and implant stereotypical views based on that person�s nationality into your head. I am asking all of you sheep out there to wake up and face the reality because while you are too busy blaming people that had nothing to do with your problems, your land and its resources are being sold for practically nothing by your corrupt government officials.History is there for you so that you would learn form it and not make the same mistakes over again, not the other way around. Stop fighting for land that doesn�t belong to anyone but people that live there, fight for the truth!Oh, by the way, you will hate me for this but I make the best shalik ever with my custom made mangal.

In response to Armenian: Yes!!! Armenians are Aryan. That's why we have black hair, black eyes, brown skin and big noses. Just like the Aryan's Hitler told the Germans about, and not at all like the enemy Juden.

Zahevi

zahev@dubsack.com

is that truth that armenians are arien?

Normalno

levon20022002@mail.ru

Normalno

levon20022002@mail.ru

kak dela

tiana2002@bk

any of you guys know of a guy in Georgia called Mahkti? He's Armenian and uses chatrooms a lot, but I dont know which chatroom to find him on (long story, and not that intersting). He told me to go to an Australia Sydney chat room tonight but I cant find it

buh :)what�s up armo people

i guess they killed the turks with their bare hands? you lack both logic and knowledge of history

does ne1 eva wonda y turks slaughtered armenians after living together for soo mani yrz? its coz armenians slaughtered turks while da army was away wid da occupation of russians in da area children men woman they slaughtered whoeva n than wen da army came bak wat did they expect to be left alone so wat did da ottomans do da same thing expect in bigga numbers obviously since it was turkish land people wat goes around cumz around all u armenians can bitch all urs but wat happ3ened was actualli justified by ur own fuking actions in da 1st place

Armnian 4 Life MothaFuckas

you don't seem to get the point.the question is, how can you be sure of the validity of the map while i prooved the website has other fake map? how do you know that one is not a fake map too?and how does that map proove that it was recognized in pariz peace conference? just because it is in french doesn't mean it was recognized in peace conference. can't you read? it says official map issued by azerbaijan democratic republic 1919

Seriously, I could not expect anything more ignoring... U ask me to show a map. I show u! U say it is Azeri, while the map is written in French and recognised by the Peace conference. Then, u say proove that the map is not fake. So what u gonna say later?- proove me that those French had no Azeri blood?....

another question. why are you so eager to believe in legitimacy of the map in that website, when as i prooved that website hosts a fake map? tell me if you don't agree that i prooved that the other map is fake. and have a logical explanation why you don't think it's fake., but have in mind that there was no country called iran prior to 1935, while the map (i talked about in my previous post) on your "thrustworthy" website (dated with a title 1918-1920) says iran

If a man holding a belief which he was thought in childhood or persuaded of afterwards keeps down and pushes away any doubts which arise about it in his mind, purposely avoids the reading of book and the company of men that call in question or discuss it, and regards as impious those questions which cannot easily be asked without disturbing it-the life of that man is one long sin against mankind (W.K. Clifford, �The Ethics of belief�)

What a nation is armenian??? --------------------- TO BAD YOU DON'T FOLLOW THE LINKS I PROVIDE. WHAT IS AZERI? TELL ME WHAT IS HISTORICALLY AN AZERI? OR WHAT IS AZERBAIJAN HISTORICALLY?----------NO AZERI SOURCES, OR TURKISH. TELL ME WHAT IS AZERI?--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Havent u seen the map??? It is written in French and by French. --------------------NO IT'S NOT. IT'S WRITTEN BY AZERIS IN FRENCH-------------------------------At least it was RECOGNISED in the Paris Peace Conference, while no map of armenia was even suggested in this Peace Conference!----------------------------------------------------------------SAYS WHO?------THE AZERI STUDENT?---GIVE SOME PROOF IT WAS RECOGNIZED. YOU DON'T BECOME THE OWNER FOR SIMPLY MAKING A CLAIM.------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------YOU'RE SO EAGER TO BELIEVE EVERYTHING IN AZERI SITES, BUT WHEN IT COMES TO ARMENIAN THINGS YOU SIMPLY WANT TO IGNORE THEM.-----------------------YOU THINK AZERIS LIVED THERE FOREVER. HOW CAN I TAKE THAT SERIOUSLY WHEN YOU'RE CLEARLY MAKING A STATEMENT WHICH YOU CANNOT BACK UP. YOU'RE WILLING TO GO COUPLE OF CENTURIES BACK TO 18 BUT YOURE NOT WILLING TO GO BACK MORE? GO BACK A CENTURY OR TWO MORE. WHY NOT? DO YOU EVEN KNOW ABOUT THE FORECFUL MIGRATIONS BY SHAH ABBAS? YOU'RE MAKING YOUR CASE ON SUCH GROUNDLESS THINGS AS BEING A MAJORITY FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME COMPARED TO MELENIUMS OF ARMEINAN POPULATION IN THOSE AREAS.------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------I STILL WANT TO INFORM YOU THAT YOU DIDN'T PROVIDE ME WITH ENOUGH PROOF FOR YOU ARGUMENT. GIVE ME SOME PROOV THAT THE LEAGUE OF NATIONS RECOGNIZED IT. DON'T JUST BASE IT ON YOUR WORDS AND ON WORDS OF AZERI SITES. FOR ONCE TRY TO UNDERSTANT THE REALITY ISN'T WHAT YOU'VE BEEN THOUGHT. YOU'RE SAYING I'M IGNORING YOUR MAP (WHICH LEGTIMACY IS NOT GUARANTEED) AND YOU'RE NOT BACKING YOUR CLAIMS WITH ANYTHING BUT TO GIVING A REVERENCE TO OTHER AZERI SITES AND YOU ARE ASKING ME WHY I'M IGNORANT? YOU DON'T SEE THAT YOU'RE LIING TO YOURSELF AND YOU ACUSE ME OF IGNORING YOUR MAPS? FOR GOD'S SAKE LOOK AT YOUR MAP. IT'S LIKE PIECE OF CRAP. (DON'T MEAN TO INSULT YOUR FEELINGS). YOU FIND HISTORIC MAPS WITH GREATER CLEARITY THAN THE ONE THAT YOU CLAIM IS ISSUED BY AZERBAIJAN ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------YOU DON'T HAVE ENOUGH RIGHTS TO CALL ARMENIANS A GOOD OR BAD NATION.--------------------------------------------------------------- STILL WAITING FOR YOUR MAP.

Now, u tell me, how can I call u a good nation???

Robo, seriously how old r u? What a nation is armenian??? I can't understand u! r u from another planet or what? Havent u seen the map??? It is written in French and by French. At least it was RECOGNISED in the Paris Peace Conference, while no map of armenia was even suggested in this Peace Conference!

by the way. the last map i talked about. it says that you can visit http://www.lib.utexas.edu/Libs/PCL/Map_collection/ map_sites/hist_sites.html#russia ----------- i visited the site and for some reason i didn't find the map.---------and the link that would lead to the azeri map as you say linked to a page where it says. ---------------"Error 404: Document Not Found" ------------"Most of the accounts on this system belong to students and therefore are somewhat temporary in nature"--------------- so let me get this right. you claim the french (azeris) issued the map, then you put hte link to a non azeri website, which by the way is under a STUDENT account.---------- so according to your logic, if an azeris student hosts a website on a non azeri server, it is more legitimate? and it is more legitimate i guess when an azeri puts a reference to another azeri site.----------------- it's like ask the partner of salesman if the salesman is giving you the good at a fair price

first of all he's not a historian. read it carefully.-----------------------------------Plus, how can we discuss issues while u ignore the facts said by famous people?--------------ignoring what facts? ignoring taht armenians are bad ppl or ignoring that armeinans migrated at the time to those plces. if it's the second one then i'm not ignoring it. but the funny thing is taht you list pushkin as a historian.-----as i said i'm not ignoring the second one. i agree with you, but the point here is that you were never majority for except at that time. and after armenians migrated you were minority once again. the fact as i said that there are no mosqes prior that time suggest that muslim population was not enough until(18) to have a need for mosq. and at the point when it was, that's about the time the mosq was built. why are you ignoring it? on the other hand yo can see churches in armenian from different periods and centuries. what does it logically suggest? it suggests that armenians had the old ones and needed new ones (and keeping the old ones too). doesn't it? you talk as if you're some kind of angel and armenians are statns.-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------i'll go to the maps now.------------------first of all i asked you to show me maps not from azeri sources. or turkish.-------i didn't show any maps from armenian sources did i?---------------here's why at least one of your maps is fake.--------------AZERBAIJAN DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC (May 28, 1918 - Aprel 27, 1920) ----------- that's what it says as the title.-----------and here's a map provided under that title.-----------http://www.azeriturkleri.com/adrxe.htm---------------------in your provided map it says iran.------now i ask you this. can you consider the map valid if there was no country called iran in 1918-1920?----------what does it tell you? iran was Known as Persia until 1935.-----------now does that sound logical to you?-------so the question arizes. where did the map come from? obveously it s fake, recently created by azeris or turks, whose dumbness is at such a high level that they don't even know anything about their neighbor country.------------------------------------------------------------------------- let's take this one for example. http://www.azeriturkleri.com/azdemre.htm------- it says official map issued by azerbaijan democratic republic 1919.-------------------------and as the title it suggests that tose were the borders when azeri delegation attended pariz peace conference?-----------so what they attended pariz peac conference. does it change the borders if you attend peac conferences and then issue some maps according to your wants?-----------if that's the case i could attend pariz once a year and the next thing you know baku is under armenian control.-------------------------------------and another point. if it was issued by the azerbaijan democratic republic. why is it in french?--------------heloooooooooooooo.---------did they forget their native language when they attended pariz peace conference and had to issue the map in french?------------------------------------------------------------------------------- does my argument make the point here? or you're still ignorant enough to say french issued it?---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- i'm not gonna go to the other maps since it is a world known fact that there was NEVER in HISTORY, a country called azerbaijan prior to the 1918.------------------------------------------------------------------------------- and for the conclusion you didn't provide the map you talked about. you said there's a map issued by the league of nations. i'm still waiting for that.

http://www.azeriturkleri.com/mapenc.htm

Enter here and look at the map issued in the Paris Peace Conference + many others!I wonder, what u gonna say now...

This was issued on the eve of Paris Peace Conference in 1919!

First, of all learn to speak! Seriously, it makes me laugh when u armenians talk about civilization anf greatness and at the same time cowardly talk with swearings! well what can we do? that is in your blood-to lie and accuse others of the minuses that u have! Plus, how can we discuss issues while u ignore the facts said by famous people? U brought me a quote from an American historian! I wonder, how could a person write about the things which happened miles away from him??? Secondly, it were his own feelings and emotions! He did not write any facts like the people whose name i told u in my previous message. And here is the map...

and one more thing. if you think that your heritage will not let you accept anything, what is the point of you arguing? if you takin into accout your heritage and nationality during the argument then obveously you can't have an objective argument.-------------------------------and i didn't just call it propoganda out of no reason. if it wasn't a mutilated and at some points inaccurate i wouldn't call it so.

leila this isn't the first time i've had this type of discussion with nijat or babek. and this isn't the first time ive explained them those things. but no matter how many times i proove them wrog they keep repeating the same statements. --------that's another story but one thing also got me mad when nijat insulted me in his message.---------- i also (as every normal person don't like being insulted) -and comments like nijats' or babeks--- "robo you're funny" etc what got me mad.-------------------- i'm not the type of person who jsut starts insulting ppl out of no reason.--------but if you cross the line of respect you shoudn't expect any good attitude from me.---------------------------------------------------------------------------------listen to me robo, I don�t need to prove things for you,But since I feal insulted by your opinions on my way of discussing I feal that I should inform and remind you( in case you�ve forgot) about where I�m from and where you are from, and that we both love and respect our countries and their heritages very much. I might lack some objectiviness (i edmit that)when it comes to the things we discuss in here but it�s because I know that we have completly different opinions and because I know what you think about what I think.So please don�t say that you take the facts I put in here seriously,and that you go around and consider if it could be true You have proved that you dont, for example by calling it propaganda.That�s the reason for why I asked " How come bla bla bla??" its becaus in your previous messages (you can look for your self) you�ve writen that what ʹv written is bs and propaganda. And cause I belive that you mean what you say I go after your wordsLeyla------------------------------------------why not? proove me i'm wrong. i don't mind. as long as you keep your argument logical and don't make rediculus statements. if you thought you are not supposed to proove me anything you wouldn't continue make any arguments eg. about armenian or azeri population. i don't mean to insult you or your heritage in any way, but i don't want ppl making statements and their statements go unanswered. the point is in my opinion(the azeri government uses different types of propogandic messages some of them that are inaccurate are carefully tied with reality, thus creating a mutilated information for the general public.) for example take khoran. as many muslims claim it doesn't support the idea of killing a non muslim, but some have interpreted it to their needs and use it to their advantage (terrorie etc). i'm not surprised in aeri governmetns actions. for your info no government is entirely sincere with it's ppl. anyway that's a different story. but if you really care about the truth you should give some consideration at least to what i say

that�s what you are into right, politics and history

babek bey, siz bunlarin suzlerine baxmeyin. S�vishden (yaman demekden ) artig bir shey bilmirler. siz ele o kitabinizi yazin, inshaallah chikandan onlara g�sderersiniz ve onda g�reruk nedeyirler. sagol

seriously robo, ok if you disagree with him ,but to use word�s like retard, stupid and idiot after every sentence is to go to far, You don�t need to be so mean, if you know that you have no patience, maybe you shouldent discuss so sensitive issues (except with people that agrees with you) because you really dont seem to be able to handle arguments from the other side.)And you tell me I lack objectiviness and that I am disable to disuss?? Anyway, you do as you like but just so you know, as a politician you woulden�t go far with that strategi

YOU'RE REALLY RETARDED. I WONDER HOW YOU EVEN GOT INTO OXFORD. ARE YOU SURE YOUR MAJOR IS IN HOSTORY? AND WHO THE HELL ARE YOU TO WRITE ABOUT CAUCASIAN HISTORY. WHAT ARE YOU WRITING IN YOUR BOOK. THAT AZERIS ALWAYS LIVED THERE? OR TURKS?---------------YOU CAN'T WRITE ANYTHING NEW (EXPECIALLY SINCE YOU'RE JSUT GETING INTO OXFORD) AND YOU CAN'T MAKE ANY SIGNIFICAT STATEMENTS, THEREFORE YOUR BOOK WILL NOT BE OF ANY SIGNIFICANCE TO ANYONE, EXCEPT IF YOU WRITE ABOUT EVERYDAY LIFE IN CUACASUS.----------------------------------------------------------------The armenians of Caucasus are not the indiginous people. This is not said by me! It is said by historians and writers of the world! Shavrov, Velichko, Griboyedov, Lermontov, Pushkin, and many many others who have been in Caucasus mainly in the 19th century have said openly that in 18th and 19th century there were mass deportations or immigrations of hundred thousands of armenians to Caucasus, mainly to the western part of Caucasus.----------------------------------------------- ALL THOSE YOUR WRITERS ARE NOT OF ANY SIGNIFICANCE TO YOUR ARGUMENT. YOU'RE RIGHT THERE WERE MIGRATIONS AT THE TIME. BUT IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT ARMENIANS DIDN'T EXIST BEFORE THAT, OR THAT THEY JUST APPEARED THERE AT THE TIME OF MIGRATIONS AND THEY JUST CAME INTO THE AREA IN 19 CENTURY. YOU KNOW YOU'RE REALLY RETARDED. I PUT THE LINKS BELOW. AND YOU'RE STILL SAYING ARMENIANS WERE NOT THE ORIGINAL INHABITANTS? HAVE YOU EVER PICKED UP A HISTORY BOOK?. ------------- OH I DIDN'T KNOW THAT PUSHKIN IS A HISTORIAN.--------------- LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL. I CAN'T BELIEVE YOU'RE THAT RETARDED.------------------------------------------------ I EXPLAINED TO YOU EARLIER. JUST BECAUE YOU WERE A MAJORITY FOR A CENTURY OR SO DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING.--------------------------------------------------------- AND I DON'T GIVE A DEAM WHAT PUSHKING OR SHAVSHADZE SAID (IF OF COURSE THEY SAID ANYTHING), AND I EXPLAINED THE PUSHKIN STOR BELOW. READ IT IF YOU HAVEN'T.---------------------------------------------------------------------------------quote:-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Famous observations regarding Turkish men 80+ years ago:"The turk is so absolutely without a moral sense, so unutterably bestial in his consideration of woman, so unthinkably vile and filthy in his personal habits, and so hopelessly degraded in his relations with his fellow man that the depth of his infamy is past all human credence. The turk is not a human being. I do not call him a beast, because not one of God's dumb creatures could sink so low. The turk is a devil without a tail. And the educated, polished turk--the official who affects a knowledge of the French language and a veneering of Parisian manners--is the most unspeakable fiend of all. In proof that this assertion is based on incontestable truth I challenge denial from any unprejudiced man who has known the turk thoroughly well for a quarter of a century."-----------------William W. Howard----------1896-------An American Eyewitness to turk Savagery--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------U again talk about the churches, but I already told u about the churches!----------WHAT THE HELL DID YOU TELL ME ABOUT CHURCHEDS? YOU STUPID COW DUNG. YOU BETTER TELL ME ABOUT THE MOSQS.----------YOU REATARD.----------------------------------------------------------------------And u say that the rulers were not Azeri, but persian. No, they were not! The letters from them still remain to our days. Unfortunately u can't come to Baku. If u did, u could have seen the letters written by the khans of Azerbaijan which are now kept in the national museum of Azerbaijan.----------------------------- WHY AM I NOT SURPRISED THAT THEY ARE KEPT IN AZERBAIJAN. ANYWAY EVEN IF WE CONSIDER THAT THEY WERE OF AZERI ORIGIN IT STILL DOESN'T CHANGE ANYTHING.---------------------------- TEHRE WAS NO AZERBAIJAN EVER (UNTIL 1918) AND YOUR AZERBAIJAN AS WELL AS ARMENIA WERE PART OF PERSIA) GET THAT INTO YOUR RETARDED HEAD.----------------------------------------------------------------------------------Later you say Urartu was armenian. Sorry my friend, but the language that Urartians talked was not indo-european. It looked more like Assyrian and Turkic----------------------------------OHHHHH. LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL. I DIDN'T KNOW URARTIANS TALKED IN TURKIK. LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.----------------- YOU ARE REALLY RETARED. ARE YOU SURE YOU'RE GETTING IN OXFORD?----------------HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA.----------------------------------------- HERE'S A FRESHENER FOR YOU.------------- URARTU (OR ARARAT) WERE THE ENEMIES OF THE ASIRIANS. TURKS AT THE TIME WERE NOWHERE NEAR CAUCAUS.-----ARARAT AS IT IS CALLED BECAUSE OF MOUNTAIN ARARAT.----------------- ARARICH IN ARMENIAN MEANS CREATOR OR GOD. ARAREL MEANS TO CREATE. --------- HENCE YOU SEE THE WORD LAND OF ARARAT IN BIBLE (WHICH STARTED BEING WRITTIN AROUT 3000 BC)-------URARTU IS A DIFFERENT PRONONCIATION OF ARARAT.---------------------TURIK? LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL-------------YOU'RE JUST MAKING A FOOL OUT OF YOURSELF.-----------------------------------------------------------------------------It is better to stick to the near history------------- I'M GUESSING YOU WANNA STICK WITH THE 1800'S? AFTER ALL IT'S THE TIME OF YOU DREAMS ISN'T IT?------------- YOU BLOCKHEAD.-------------------------------------------OH AND CARE TO PUT A LINK TO THE MAP BY THE LEGUE OF NATIONS? (and the date for the map)

To Robo- u can call anything but not uneducated. I study in the best school of England and i am preparing for Oxford! Plus, i am writing a book about Caucasian history! So whatever i talk is not words of a street boy, but considerably highly educated person! Almost all what you said are based on no facts but probably made up thoughts. The armenians of Caucasus are not the indiginous people. This is not said by me! It is said by historians and writers of the world! Shavrov, Velichko, Griboyedov, Lermontov, Pushkin, and many many others who have been in Caucasus mainly in the 19th century have said openly that in 18th and 19th century there were mass deportations or immigrations of hundred thousands of armenians to Caucasus, mainly to the western part of Caucasus. Let me just bring you a concrete fact said by Shavrov, a Russian historian and writer. He has written that out of 1,3 armenians, 1 million were the immigrants of Turkey and Iran. He openly says that, the Muslim population of eastern Caucasus were being forced by the Russians to move to western parts of Caucasus and he openly says that this was done to strengthen their political position in south Caucasus were the Muslim population made the majority. Plus, there were even Russian and Georgian writers such as Chavchavadze and Pushkin who openly wrote bad thoughts about armenians. U again talk about the churches, but I already told u about the churches! But u continue saying that the churches meant the land was mainly populated by armenians and i tell u that it does not! And u say that the rulers were not Azeri, but persian. No, they were not! The letters from them still remain to our days. Unfortunately u can't come to Baku. If u did, u could have seen the letters written by the khans of Azerbaijan which are now kept in the national museum of Azerbaijan. Plus, they had their own flags, and in all flags the symbol which is now on the flag of Azerbaijan existed on those flags as well, which proved that thoser khanates were turkic (Azeri). Later you say Urartu was armenian. Sorry my friend, but the language that Urartians talked was not indo-european. It looked more like Assyrian and Turkic. But thats a different issue. It is better to stick to the near history, which contains reliable facts. Another fact! The map of Azerbaijan which was issued by the League of Nations, show that both Karabakh and the Goycha lake (today's Sevan) and Nakhichevan (which u calim armenian as well) were all within the borders of Azerbaijan! And as u know, the map of armenia was not issued, as the armenians could not create a stable state of their own and had disputed areas with Turkey and Georgia!Look, how many IMPORTANT facts I gave you! Therefore, I ask you not to answer me with thoughts or probabilities or churches! Answer me with facts, statistics, maps,etc.! Thank you!

and here's why azerbaijan is a geographical region---------------http://www.britannica.com/eb/article?eu=11672&tocid=0&query=azerbaijan&ct=

oh dang i forgot the url--- http://www.britannica.com/eb/article?eu=115474&tocid=44266&query=armenia&ct=

read theis. from enciclopedia britanica---------- it also provides a great historical map of. you'll see that azerbaijan(which is the newer version of atropotemia) is nothing but a geographical name in the region, in the southern part of armenia, which does not include what you call today azerbaijan.

however it would also help if you read what strabo wrote too

correction: not strabo, but ksenophone

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-----------------"There are armenian churches in whole over the world, but that does not mean that the whole world is armenian,"----------------------no it does not mean that. however it does mean thoat those areas are populated by the armeinans. or that there are armenian communities there.----------------- on the other hand the churches in armenia are not because armenians came and settled there but because they have always lived there. --------- the lack of mosques suggest that the muslim ppulation was nowere considerable to have a need for a mosque. only in 1800 (that's when the mosq in erevan was built) did muslims have enough populatoin to need mousque. but that population was not permanent. khatates as you call it did not belong to azeris. they were under persian control. however it does not change the fact that the original inhabitants were armenians. you can see churches from early christianity period up to now. that tell s you that armenian population was permanent, wether they were outnumbered by muslims in 1800 or not. it does not change the fact whose homeland it is.------------------------- and only an uneducated man can make such unsupported statements as you. what do you mean -------"U compare urself with Greeks, Assyrians??? "-------------- i don't just compare them. armenians have been there for thousands of years. there was no greece when the urartian (also called ararat, or armenian) kingod existed.-- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- here's a anciend babelionian map from 600 bc.-- http://ancienthistory.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http://www.henry%2Ddavis.com/MAPS/Ancient%2520Web%2520Pages/103.html --------------------------------------------------------------------- that's for your retarded azeri head. uneducated monkeys.------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- go read about assirian battles with nairi kingdom. ----------------- go learn some history.------------ go read what greek historian strabo said aobut armenians.

Robo, believe me, u look very funny!U say things that are nothing but only childish statements! U compare urself with Greeks, Assyrians??? Secodnly, the existence of churches in cetain places does not mean that those lands were dominated or ruled by the owners of those churches. There are armenian churches in whole over the world, but that does not mean that the whole world is armenian, does it? We talk about, who was the land mostly populated by and ruled by! and u know the answer. Until the early 1900's the land that today is called armenia, used to be called Irevan Khanate and Nakhichvena nad Karabakh were khanates as well. If they were armenian, then they should have been called armenia, not khanates! Plus, the rulers of these khanates, all of them were Azeris! Now what is a singl fact that u are confident of which says that these lands were armenian???

nijat i know you ere retarded but i didn't know you were that retarded.---------------------------------" dont try to prove anything to Leyla"-WHO THE HELL ARE YOU TO TELL ME THAT?--------------EVERYONE HAS THE RIGHT TO KNOW THE TRUTH. WETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT.--------------------------------------------------------------------------- "lets go just maybe few years before Stalin actually talked about Karabax. armenia was part of the Ottoman Empire"------------ARMENIA WAS NOT PART OF OTTOMAN EMPIRE. THE WESTER ARMENIA WAS UNDER OTTOMAN RULE NOT THE EASTERN.----------------------- you said that in Armenia or erevan there is only one Mosque. you are very right my friend. NOW THERE IS ONE.------------------WHAT ARE YOU SUGGESTING? YOU TURKS ARE THE ONE THAT DESTROY EVERY PIECE OF ARMENIAN EVIDENCE NOT US. UNTIL TODAY THE ARMENIAN CHURCHES ARE KEPT AS ANIMAL SHELTERS, ARE VANDILIZED AND YOU'RE SAYING WE DID THAT TO YOUR MOSQUES?---------------------WHERE DID YOU GET THE FACTS THAT THERE WERE MORE THAN ONE MOSQE IN ARMEINA (AND IN EREVAN)?-------DON'T BULLSHET TALK WITH FACTS. AND BACK UP YOUR CLAIM. GOT THAT?------------------------------------------------------------------ "but at the time there was no single Church on that land All MOSQUES." ----------YOU ARE PARANOID YOU KNOW THAT?-----------------HERE VISIT THIS SITE-----http://cilicia.com/armo5.html--------------- I KNOW IT'S AN ARMENIAN SITE. JUST LOOK AT THE PICTURES OF THE CHURCHES. I DON'T EXPECT YOU TO READ ANYTHING. PICTURES ARE WORTH THOUSAND WORDS. JSUT LOOK AT THE PICTURES AND THE DATES OF THE CHURCHES. NOT A SINGLE CHURCH? ALL MOSQUES? THAT'S REALLY PATHETIC. LOOOOOOOOOOOOL . YOU KNOW I FIGURED YOU ARE EXTREMELY FANATICAL RACIST WHO CAN'T STAND THE TRUTH OR OTHER PEOPLE BUT "HIS MOSQUES", THAT'S THE REASON YOU SAY SUCH THINGS. (OR YOU ARE SPINELESS AND CAN'T THINK FOR YOURSELF) ----------------------------------------"you at that time lived around Erzurum, trabzon and etc..." ----------GO PLAY WITH THE SANDS IDIOT.---------------------but this doesnt mean that its YOUR LAND. lets go a bit further back to the history of karabax as yopu like to talk about it. in 1828 Russia from Iran and Turkey immigrated many armenians into Caucasus.-----------------WHY DON'T YOU GO A LITTLE FURTHER? --------------------------------"if u say Karabax, Zangezur or Naxichevan did not belong to Azerbaijan, ok then what else is left of Azerbaijan than? "---------WHAT AZERBAIJAN? THERE WAS NO AZERBAIJAN. ---------- WHY DON'T YOU REPHRASE IT LIKE THIS----if u say Karabax, Zangezur or Naxichevan did not belong to ARMENIA, ok then what else is left of ARMENIA than? ----------------------------------- DO I NEED TO PROOVE YOU AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN THAT THOSE LANDS ALWAYS BELONGED TO ARMEINANS? THROUGHTOUT HISTORY? ARE YOU THAT RETARDED?-----------------*************************************** some maps http://people.bu.edu/asa/metshyeastan.gif http://www.uoregon.edu/~atlas/europe/static/map10.jpg http://www.roman- empire.net/maps/empire/provinces/trajan/graphics/armenia- 24.gif http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~vandersp/Courses/maps/detailf.jp g http://www.raremaps.com/maps/big/4704.jpg http://www.raremaps.com/maps/big/0552.jpg http://www.raremaps.com/maps/big/1712.jpg http://www.raremaps.com/maps/big/0733.jpg http://www.raremaps.com/maps/big/3186.jpg http://www.raremaps.com/maps/big/1850.jpg http://www.raremaps.com/maps/big/2344.jpg http://www.raremaps.com/maps/big/9248.jpg http://www.raremaps.com/maps/big/1244.jpg http://www.raremaps.com/maps/big/2754.jpg http://www.raremaps.com/maps/big/9375r.jpg http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Images/Chicago/hewsen62.gif http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Images/Chicago/hewsen119.gif http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Images/Chicago/hewsen91.gif http://www.raremaps.com/cgi-bin/map-builder.cgi? Europe+Armenia http://people.bu.edu/asa/armhistory.html http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~vandersp/Courses/maps/basicmap.h tml http://www.uoregon.edu/~atlas/europe/static/map10.html http://www.roman- empire.net/maps/empire/provinces/trajan/armenia.html ******************************************** ----------------------------------- And look at the armenian population in caucasus. its only what maybe maximum 2 million today. look at us AZERIS. IF U ADD UP THE GEORGIAN AND armenian POPULATION AND + DAGESTAN AND CHECHNYA YOU CAN HARDLY REACH AZERI POPULATION OF OVER 8 MILLION. what does this say man. it means that we were here for long time and always.-------------------------------------------------- NO IT DOESN'T MEAN THAT. IT MEANS SOMETHING ELSE. --------YOU KNOW HOW OLD GREECE IS. BUT THERE ARE ONLY 15 MLN GREEKS IN GREECE TODAY. WHY IS THAT?------ THERE ARE MANY ANSWERS, SUCH AS MIGRATION, MASSACRES, FORCEFUL CONVERSION OF FAIT (IN THIS CASE TO MUSLIM) ETC. GET THAT INTO YOU HEAD. AT LEAST STUDY SOME HISTORY.--------- LET ME GIVE YOU ANOTHER EXAMPLE. YOU KNOW ANCIENT SUMMERS, ASORIS, CAPADOCIANS. (ASSUMING YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT HISTORY)------------- WHERE ARE THEY? THEY MUST CONSTITUTE THE MAJORITY OF TODAYS WORLD POPULATION ACCORDING TO YOUR "LOGIC". BUT SUMERS, AMAZONS ARE GONE LONG INTO THE HISTORY, AND YOU CAN BARELY FIND FEW ASORIS.----------------- DOES THAT MAKE SENCE TOU YOU?----------------------------- you are guests. your language that u talk is unfamiliar in caucasus. in caucaus the main language groups are mainly Turkic which Azeris, Insgushes, Karachayevs, Kumiks, Kabardins talk. --------- DON'T GIVE ME YOUR STUPID LANGUAGE HISTORY AND WHY ALL LANGUAGES IN CAUCAUS HAVE TO BE TURIK.------------ THIS TELLS ME THAT YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT YOUR HISTORY NOR TURIK.--------- GO READ ABOUT TURIK, MONGOLIAN TRIBES MIGRATING TO CAUCASUS YOU FUCKHEAD.------------- OH I JUST REMEMBERED-------- WHY THE HEALL THERE ARE 3 MLN PPL IN ALL MONGOLIA?----------LET ME SEE IF YOU HAVE ENOUGH BRAINPOWER TO ANSWER IT.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- you said Nizami and Khagani were Farsi. OH MY GOD. you are taking the mick now. if u say this in public people would laugh at you. hey you bullshiter armenian dog, you think you can make fools out of us. no no no. Nizami has lived all his life in Ganja. i think you know wher it is. north Azerbaijan. he wrote Leyli and Majnun in farsi. WHY? ii tell you. those times Farsi was popular lang in Azerbaijan and around there like today Russian or english around world. Fuzuli born after him decided to convert it to Azeri. dont tel me that he was Farsi too.----------------------------------------------------------------- ----------------------------------------------- I DIDN'T JUST ASSUME HE ISN'T---------HERE'S A LINK---------http://www.britannica.com/eb/article?eu=57027&tocid=0----------"in full Elyas Yusof Nez ami Ganjavi , Nez ami also spelled Niz ami greatest romantic epic poet in Persian literature, who brought a colloquial and realistic style to the Persian epic. Little is known of Nez ami's life. Orphaned at a young age, he spent his entire life in Ganja, leaving only once to meet the ruling prince. Although he enjoyed the patronage of a number of rulers and princes, �"------------------------------------------------------------- SINCE HE WAS BORN IN WHAT YOU ASSUME BELONGS TO AZERI LAND DOESN'T NECESSERALY MEAN HE WAS OF AZERI ORIGIN.----------- I'D BE MORE TAHAN HAPPY IF YOU SHOWED ME SOME FACTS THAT IN FACT HE BELONGED TO TEH ETHNICAL GOUP CALLED AZERI. AND PLZ IF YOU GET ANY FACTS MAKE SURE THEY ARE FROM A DESCENT SOURSE AND THAT THEY ARE NOT FROM AZERI SOURCE.---------------------------------------------------------------------------"but to be honest i do not know anyone except Adrannik whoes Turks cut the ear off"------- YOU'RE NOT PROVING ANYTHING BUT THAT YOURE RETARDED. IT IS OK ONOT TO KNOW THINGS BUT IT IS NOT IF YOU MAKE SUCH RETARDED STATEMENTS-----------------------------and i also know Aram Khachaturyan who basically wrote his musics on the basis of uzeir Hachibayovs musics.--------------- I ASSUME THAT HACHIBAYOV IS AZERI?------- HAVE YOU EVER LISTENED TO ARAM KHACHATURIANS MUSIC? DOES IT SOUND ANYTHING AT LEAST SIMILAR TO TURIK OR PERSIAN?--------- ALL YOU KNOW IS TO BULLSHET, BUT YOU DON'T KNOW A SHET. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- KOCHARIAN IS NOT EVEN THE CITIZEN OF ARMENIA HAHAHAHAHHA--------- WHAT ARE YOU SO HAPPY ABOUT?--------------------------------------------------------------- "think before you write"------- IT WOULD HELP YOU AVOID SOME EMBARASMENT IF YOU REALLY THOUGHTS SO.

hey robo listen to me carefully. i didnt visit this site for 2 days. dont try to prove anything to Leyla. she might not know some stuff. but ive read your past meassages now about Karabagh, Armenian Churches, Muslims and so on. first i wanna talk about Karabax. you say something there about 'leave'. ok i get it. lets go just maybe few years before Stalin actually talked about Karabax. armenia was part of the Ottoman Empire. but there was also a so called Khanlig ov erevan. you said that in Armenia or erevan there is only one Mosque. you are very right my friend. NOW THERE IS ONE. but at the time there was no single Church on that land All MOSQUES. THERE was so called Khanlig of Karabax which was also ours. you at that time lived around Erzurum, trabzon and etc... in 1900's you r right many Armenians lived in Karabax, maybe even most of them in karabax were you. but this doesnt mean that its YOUR LAND. lets go a bit further back to the history of karabax as yopu like to talk about it. in 1828 Russia from Iran and Turkey immigrated many armenians into Caucasus. WHAT WAS THE REASON. Russia wanted to have some Christians in caucasus so that it can have some allies around there. dont think that i am making this up. there is a book Griboyedov and Velichko wrote all about this. mainly you were placed around Goyche(Sevan) and Karabax. that is the case. if u say Karabax, Zangezur or Naxichevan did not belong to Azerbaijan, ok then what else is left of Azerbaijan than? ha? Zangezur is a bad point you made i am afraid. Zangezur always historically belonged to us. Again your friends Russians gave it to u. And look at the armenian population in caucasus. its only what maybe maximum 2 million today. look at us AZERIS. IF U ADD UP THE GEORGIAN AND armenian POPULATION AND + DAGESTAN AND CHECHNYA YOU CAN HARDLY REACH AZERI POPULATION OF OVER 8 MILLION. what does this say man. it means that we were here for long time and always. you are guests. your language that u talk is unfamiliar in caucasus. in caucaus the main language groups are mainly Turkic which Azeris, Insgushes, Karachayevs, Kumiks, Kabardins talk. another main group is Kartvelli which is Georgian and others around it. and some little minorities from close groups to the ones i said. BUT YOURS IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT. armenian is linked with indoeuropean lamguage. this is a inolanguage in caucaus. i wanna tell you about our history a bit more. you said Nizami and Khagani were Farsi. OH MY GOD. you are taking the mick now. if u say this in public people would laugh at you. hey you bullshiter armenian dog, you think you can make fools out of us. no no no. Nizami has lived all his life in Ganja. i think you know wher it is. north Azerbaijan. he wrote Leyli and Majnun in farsi. WHY? ii tell you. those times Farsi was popular lang in Azerbaijan and around there like today Russian or english around world. Fuzuli born after him decided to convert it to Azeri. dont tel me that he was Farsi too. Khagani is a very well known poet of Azerbaijan. see at least you know something about Azeri literature. but to be honest i do not know anyone except Adrannik whoes Turks cut the ear off. and i also know Aram Khachaturyan who basically wrote his musics on the basis of uzeir Hachibayovs musics. thats a fact. anyways robo. even todays armenia's president is a fake president. KOCHARIAN IS NOT EVEN THE CITIZEN OF ARMENIA HAHAHAHAHHA!!! WHAT A REPUBLIC DO U HAVE. THATS AGAINST YOUR COSTITUTION BUT THERE YOU ARE YOU HAVE IT. Kocharian is citizen of Azerbaijan andh e is president of armenia. wel wel wel. i am tired of giving you lesoons. so i better go. think before you write. YASHASI VAHID AZERBAYCAN!!!

"it's not a matter of accepting or denying everything an azeri says" but dont you see?? It has so much to do with that I�m an Azeri. I dont think you would argue with me if I said that Denmark belongs to sweden because it dosent concern you, you dont care. But you care about Karabax because you are so convinced that its armenian land while I�m convinced that its azeri land. I don��t know if you get what I�m trying to say??

I am being criticall against you

listen to me robo, I don�t need to prove things for you,But since I feal insulted by your opinions on my way of discussing I feal that I should inform and remind you( in case you�ve forgot) about where I�m from and where you are from, and that we both love and respect our countries and their heritages very much. I might lack some objectiviness (i edmit that)when it comes to the things we discuss in here but it�s because I know that we have completly different opinions and because I know what you think about what I think.So please don�t say that you take the facts I put in here seriously,and that you go around and consider if it could be true You have proved that you dont, for example by calling it propaganda.That�s the reason for why I asked " How come bla bla bla??" its becaus in your previous messages (you can look for your self) you�ve writen that what ʹv written is bs and propaganda. And cause I belive that you mean what you say I go after your words

"U ignore it because u dont have anything to say..."-------------your argument has no political weight.------------------------------------to leila. if you think i'm not looking with critical eyes on what i say, why don't you do that?

much better :) now it�s accurate at least

U ignore it because u dont have anything to say...

when i say --------"the president of azerbaijan claims quote:-------" -------ok my bad. i' should've been more specific.----------"the official website of president of azerbaijan claims"----------is that better now?

"How come you think all my facts are such l�es and propaganda and why don�t you look at your own facts with the same criticall eyes ???"----------now you say the same thing again. did i say everything you said is a lie? NO. again don't try to paint that picture. what i did is give you some things to consider about. i didn't deny all you said nor i accepted all you said. i wrote about some thigs that wer reasonable don't you agree?. again it's not a matter of accepting or denying everything an azeri says. that's the problem with you. you're not able to have objective conversation because you constantly think i disagree with everything you said. and since i don't accept then i must be liing. i'm not denying or accepthing everything, i'm giving you things to consider. is that understood? ------------------------"the president of azerbaijan claims quote: ------------------ ------------------------------------------ ----------------- --- In 1997-98 Armenia purchased 1.7 billion pound sterling worth of weapons from Russia. ------------------------------ ------------------------------ --------------"----------see? do the math yourself.

the president of azerbaijan claims quote: ------------------------------------------------------------ -------------------- In 1997-98 Armenia purchased 1.7 billion pound sterling worth of weapons from Russia. ------------------------------------------------------------ --------------

but when you quote you should at least know who you are quoting

you make me ask many questions, but my first question that led to my second question was: How come you think all my facts are such l�es and propaganda and why don�t you look at your own facts with the same criticall eyes ??? Do you understand ???

lol, so you�ve looked it up now

oh my god

by the way it doesn't matter who wrote it. you're taking it so literraly. so if it's the website of the prezident of azerbaijan then the president of azerbaijan must have wrote it? of course he didn't personally write it. but it's on his official website then it should tell you something of the accuracy of the information that your government feeds you.

i think i'm missing th epoint here. what exactly is your question?

robo , I�m not trying to paint any picture. I�m just asking you a simple question, but you dont need to answere cus I think I already know the answere for it

to babek "robo, u seem to be weak to comment on my points..." -i'm actually ignoring it-----------to leila------the website for azeri president seems to be down. however i suggest you follow the link later on. it's the official website of azeri president. you'll see for yourself.------------anyway. you're right i used couple of quotes. i' don't exaggerate it with my words and pretend i wrote it. the point is the window for editing in this guestbook is crappy. and i may have missed few quotation marks.--------------"How come all MY facts is bs and YOURS the true and accurate ones?? -----------how come? lol that's funny. i didn't say all your facts are bs. did i ever say such a thing? be careful of what you say. did i vigorously say that you're wrong about the numbe of armenians in 18centruy? don't try to paint that picture. i jsut gave you couple of things to think about and make the correct judgement yourself. and i'm not a victim of propoganda, i know enough and i've heard enough of azeri statements to assume that most you guys are victims of azeri and turkish propoganda

And so what if I copy, I�m honest about it at least. You know, there is a differens betwean writing something on your own and with copying someone elses text and exhanging some words here and there and then signing with your name and think that it�s your work. dont you agre with me, that it�s better to be honest then to pretend??

robo, u seem to be weak to comment on my points...

First of all it�s not Heydar Aliyev that has written that text, you could at least have read it before you referred to it and when it comes to me being victimized I don�t agree at all. How come all MY facts is bs and YOURS the true and accurate ones?? The truth is that YOU are the one who is a victim of propaganda and not the other wau around

oh and nijat go play with the pinple that's between your legs that you call @@#$

by the way armenians didn't have anywere near enough manpower to kill 2.5 mln turks.

you're good at copyying leila. but it's just another azeri propoganda. the internet is full of such bs. and with such websites as the one you presented. ----------------------------------------------------"The Ottoman government ordered the resettlement (even not the deportation, since it was the resettlement within the same country) of the Armenian population from Eastern Anatolia to Syria because they started massacres of the Turks and Kurds on the eve of the Russian advance. ---------------GOT ANY FROOF OF WHAT YOU SAID HERE?----------------Armenians in all 6 villayets were in minority. The goal of the Dashnaktsutsiun leaders was to provoke unrest in Anatolia, cause sympathy of the Entente and to acquire a statehood after the defeat of Turkey. More than 2.5 million Turks and Kurds were killed by the Armenian rebels in 1914-18,-------------------ARMENIANS KILLED 2.5 MILLION TURKS? YOU ARE REALLY MISINFORMED. FIRST OF ALL ARMEIANS DIDN'T HAVE ANYWERE NEAR ENOUGH WEAPONS TO KILL 2.5 MILLION TURKS. EVEN MORE THEY HAD ALMOST NO WEAPONS AT ALL SINCE THE GOVERNMENT WOUDLN'T ALLOW THEM TO KEEP ONE.---------------------------- while around 600.000 Armenians suffered during the resettlement."------------------------VERY FUNNY------------------------------------------------"Armenian immigration continued in the 1890s after the disastorous rebellion of the Armenians in Anatolia in 1894- 95. - There was no so-called "Armenian genocide" in 1915."---IMIIGRATION? EVEN IF WE ASSUME IT AS "IMMIGRATION", IMMIGRATION TO WHERE?----------------------BESIDES who said anything about genocide? there many undeniable proofs that it was a genocide. and it is an fact accepted by 31 of US states, several countries and the EU. that the term genocide applies to the case of armenians. and turkey is having trouble with EU on that matter. anyway. i won't go into this so that the rest of our talk can be clear to you.------------------------------------------"Stalin never "granted" Karabakh to Azerbaijan. In 1921, the decision was made to "leave" Karabakh within, and not to "transfer" to, Azerbaijan. If you look at the Protocol of the Kavbuero Meeting of 5th July, 1921, (every historian nowadays can order the document from the former Party Archive in Moscow) you will read exactly the word "leave". So, when you "leave" something somewhere, it obviously implies that it was there before."---------what former party?--- what "leave"?-----what document?-------------i don't need any documents to know that karabakh didn't belong to azerbaijan when the first time in history it got independent.--------------------------------------****************************Armenian hopes soared when the Azeri-Turk communist leader Nariman Narimanov announced on November 30, 1920 that "Nagorno Karabakh, Zangezur and Nakhichevan (two disputed regions to the southwest of Karabakh - ed.) are recognized to be integral parts of the Socialist Republic of Armenia" (Walker, 1991, p. 105). But this was little more than a propaganda ploy to encourage Armenians to view the Red Army as a saviour on the eve of its occupation of the Republic of Armenia. Once the Republic of Armenia was firmly under communist control, Narimanov repudiated his concession and reasserted Azerbaijani claim to Nagorno Karabakh.The Karabakh question went before the Transcaucasia Bureau of the Communist Party for settlement. The Bureau decreed on June 3, 1921 that Nagorno Karabakh belonged to Armenia. Narimanov threatened an upsurge of anti-Soviet activity from the side of Azeri-Turk nationalists if Nagorno Karabakh were given to the Armenian SSR. The Transcaucasian Bureau reaffirmed its decision on July 4, much to the dismay of the Azeri-Turks. But at this point Stalin, then Commissar for Nationality Affairs, intervened. On the next day, in Stalin's presence, the Transcaucasian Bureau reversed its decision without debate. The Bureau resolved to "leave Nagorno Karabakh inside the frontiers of Azerbaijan, giving it a large measure of regional autonomy, and having as its centre the town of Shusha" (Walker, 1991, p. 108). This decision conformed to Stalin's divide-andrule policy for nationalities. By placing the Armenians of Karabakh inside Azerbaijan as 'hostages' the Armenian SSR would be less likely to act contrary to the wishes of the Kremlin. Likewise, an 'autonomous' Armenian enclave within Azerbaijan could be activated as a pro-Soviet fifth column in the event of disloyalty by the Azeri-Turks. The "large measure of regional autonomy" promised to Nagorno Karabakh proved to be fictitious. The government of the Azerbaijani SSR defined the status of the Armenian enclave in the summer of 1923. It established an 'Autonomous Region of Nagorno Karabakh' with a local administration composed mainly of Armenian communist officials. But the northern tip of Karabakh - the Shaumyan district - whose population was 80% Armenian and the 4 mile wide Lachin corridor leading to the Armenian SSR were detached from the Autonomous Region and placed under direct Azerbaijani rule. The government of the Autonomous Region was entirely dependent on Baku and Moscow. ( do some search on the internet and you'll see for yourself)---------------------------------------------------------------------------------NOW I'LL GOT TO THE NUMBER OF AZERIS AND ARMEINANS EARLY ON. first of all if you look at history you'll see that the number of armeinans in relation to mustlims in those areas isn't stabil. meaning that at one point armenians are the majority at next they are minority.. but that's after 13th century until 19. anyway the point is that muslims never were a majority for at least a few generations in armenia. there's only on e mosque in armenia and 1 or two in karabakh. while the entire area is full of armenian churches. and historic monuments, cemetaries. you can barely find azeri cemetaries in karabakh. why? because you were never a the original inhabitants for more than one generation. i put a link in my previous post. i don't know if you followed it. it is about JUGA. anyway here it is ---http://www.cilicia.com/armo5_jugha.html------------Jugha, in the middle of the XVI century, consisted of some 2000-4000 houses with an Armenian population reaching from 15-20,000-40,00010. A Portugese traveller, Pelshior by name, who was in Jugha during the summer of 1604, a few weeks before the forced deportation, wrote thus: "Jugha is one of the largest towns of Armenians where there is not a single Moslem"11----------a traveler Alexander Rhodes by name, passing thereabouts recorded the fact that there were about 10,000 khachkars there, all in good condition18. This fact completely coincided with the truth. In 1903 - 1904, after the construction of the railway line, when untold numbers of khachkars were hopelessly destroyed, there were about 5000 khachkars intact or fallen down. Later in 1915, A. Vruyr19 and S. Ter-Avetisian20 in 1928 - 1929 counted up to 3000 khachkars and a few thousand gabled, smooth and ram- shaped tombstones. According to our 1971 -1973 calculations of the Jugha cemetery, there were 462 khachkars on the first hill as we called it, either intact, fallen or broken; on the second hill there were 1672; while on the third hill, there were 573 khachkars, intact or fallen. This makes a total of 2707. In addition to khachkars there were more than a thousand ram shaped as well as a gabled, smooth the tombstones with ornamental reliefs in this main cemetery. More than 250 khachkars have been counted in the Amenaprkich monastery cemetery and those of the town church and elsewhere. Besides all this, the number of khachkars and ram-shaped tombstones buried in the earth, broken or shattered to pieces in the main cemeteries and all the others, is approximately estimated at more than and 1400. -------------------------------------------------quote:--------------------------------------------------------------------------------"This is Azerbaijan, and everybody here should learn by heart that nothing non-Azeri exists or ever existed on this land �"(Excerpt from a speech of Mr. S. Suleimanov, head of the Dashkesan district�s Azerbaijan's Communist Party, who supervised the demolition of Armenian architectural monuments in the town of Banantz (Bayan) by Azerbaijani KGB agents, on 26-27 July 1969).[1]--------------------------------------------------------------------------------azeris are mixture aof tatars,lezgins,talishes Udins, Budughs, Tats, persians, turks, armenians etc.go ahead do some internet research you'll see wou you're ancestors are. you'll see that i'm telling the truthdon't forget that those lands (the southern part of azerbaijan have always been historic armenian lands)they were driven out of there by ethnic conflicts of major oguz turkik migrants from west."The word "Azerbaijan," (originally � Aturpatagan in Parthian or Atrpatakan in Old Armenian) is also a confusing term. It never represented a single political or ethnic unit before 1918, being solely a geographic concept, for centuries designating an ancient northern province of today's Iran."It was not until 1937, when the current ethno-name � "Azeris" (azerbaidzantsi, in Russian, translated into azarbaycanli, in Turkic) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------[6] Activities aimed at "revealing (read: manufacturing � aut.) Azerbaijan's past, adequate to its glorious present days," as stated the official documents of the Communist Party of Azerbaijan, were coordinated in Azerbaijan by Dr. Ziya M. Buniyatov, a controversial historian-orientalist, and later, a vice-president of Azerbaijani Academy of Arts and Sciences. Buniyatov rose to notoriety by almost overnight "converting" a number of well-known Persian medieval authors, e.g. Nizami and Khagani, into "Azeri authors," and removing unwanted passages from those republished historical texts on the Transcaucasus, which testified about the pre-Turkic past of Azerbaijan. Those books that were difficult to republish with alterations were removed from public libraries and hidden in the dungeons (called "spezkhrans") of Azerbaijani KGB. Thus, an entire generation of Azeris was deprived from an opportunity to know its own history.Although elevated to the highest position in Azerbaijan's Academy of Arts and Sciences by the Communist leaders of Azerbaijan, Buniyatov quickly became a pariah among the historians of the Soviet Academy of Sciences. Buniyatov's name gave birth to the derogatory term "buniyatovchsina" (in Russian), coined in late 1970s and used in Soviet scholarly circles as a shorthand description for pseudo-academic activities aimed at fabricating historical records and stealing pieces of historical heritage from other cultures.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------you want soem proof that your a victim to propoganda?for example look at this onelet's first look at the armenian economy (barely 500 million)now the president of azerbaijan claims quote:--------------------------------------------------------------------------------In 1997-98 Armenia purchased 1.7 billion pound sterling worth of weapons from Russia. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------http://www.president.az/azerbaijan/khojali/book01e.htm --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------now let's convert it to us dollars by the rates of 1997-98 ( http://www.economagic.com/em-cgi/data.exe/fedstl/exusuk )which approaximately will be $2805000000. that's almost 3 billion us dollars. -----------------------------------------------------------------doesn that ring a bell in your head?------------------------------

Leyla is very right. see robo u dont read anything and u always tell others to read some fake armenian books or websites which is full of bullshit and fantasy. there is a very good joke about u. Once armenian comes to a library and asks the librarian the book called Brave Armenian. she looks at him and says that the Fiction section is at the second floor. Thank you. so guys 'Great Armenia' from sea to sea or Armenian Genocide is all fiction stories. Turks killed you. Yeh thats true. VERY TRUE. you deserved it. you lived in someones land and could not behave yourself which is not surprising. so when you started to claim lands of turkey you started to cause trouble and therefore Turks gave you a lesoon. even today you are living in our land. Erivan and Goyche lake was ours always. Russia gave it to you and you know that. anyways what i wanna say that all the armenains here just type. 'turks suck' 'fuck them' 'i am proud to be an armenian' 'we r such a great nation' bla bla bla. you better not eat my and Leyla's words here and try to answer us with some facts like we give to u. YASHASIN VAHID AZERBAYCAN!!!

azeri_kavkazets@yahoo.com

I quoted

- Armenians have not lived in Transcaucasia for the centuries. It is a myth. The first massive Armenian immigration to the Erivan, Nakhichevan and Karabakh Khanates started in 1828 and it was encouraged by the Russian Tsarist government. The Russian Ambassador to Iran, Alexander Griboedov, had described the resettlement of the Iranian Armenians in the above mentioned lands in his memoirs. Even after the first massive arrival of the Armenians to Transcaucasia, the original Muslem population (mainly Azeris) remained the majority in Erivan, Karabakh and Nakhichevan. - There still exists the monument in Nagorno Karabakh which comemorates the arrival of the first immigrants to Nagorno Karabakh. It was erected in 1978 in Leninavan (Mardakert region of Nagorno Karabakh) to mark the 150th anniversary of the Armenian immigration. Until recently, there was a script on the monument, but after the outbreak of the conflict, Armenians had erased the script. - All pre-1828 Christian buildings in Nagorno Karabakh are Albanian (don't confuse the Caucasian Albanians with the European Albanians). Albanians were the only indigineous population of Nagorno Karabakh, and they were assimilated into the Azeri ethnos in the Middle Ages, long before the Armenian immigration. Therefore, only the modern Azeris can be considered to be the descendants of the Caucasian Albanians (the fact accepted by the world historical scholarship). - Only after the Crimean War, 1853-55, when the second massive immigration of the Armenians from Turkey took place, did the Armenians outnumber the Azeris in Transcaucasia. The purpose of Russia's promotion of the Armenian immigration was to create a Christian province in the South which was to serve as a stronghold for further Russian penetration of Iran and the Ottoman Empire. - Armenian immigration continued in the 1890s after the disastorous rebellion of the Armenians in Anatolia in 1894-95. - There was no so-called "Armenian genocide" in 1915. The Ottoman government ordered the resettlement (even not the deportation, since it was the resettlement within the same country) of the Armenian population from Eastern Anatolia to Syria because they started massacres of the Turks and Kurds on the eve of the Russian advance. Armenians in all 6 villayets were in minority. The goal of the Dashnaktsutsiun leaders was to provoke unrest in Anatolia, cause sympathy of the Entente and to acquire a statehood after the defeat of Turkey. More than 2.5 million Turks and Kurds were killed by the Armenian rebels in 1914-18, while around 600.000 Armenians suffered during the resettlement. "Genocide" is the state policy of extermination of the nation. There was obviously no such a policy adopted by the Ottoman government in 1915, and what it ordered was the reaction to the Armenian violence towards Turkish and Kurdish civilians. - Stalin never "granted" Karabakh to Azerbaijan. In 1921, the decision was made to "leave" Karabakh within, and not to "transfer" to, Azerbaijan. If you look at the Protocol of the Kavbuero Meeting of 5th July, 1921, (every historian nowadays can order the document from the former Party Archive in Moscow) you will read exactly the word "leave". So, when you "leave" something somewhere, it obviously implies that it was there before. Masterly manipulating with the words, Armenians pursue the aim to justify their territorial claims to Azerbaijan. In addition, in 1921 Stalin did not have enough power to "grant" territories or to take such kind of important decisions. He was an ordinary minister (narkom), and his power was very limited. Contemporary advocates of the Armenian Cause use Stalin's name, known for his brutal dictatorship, to justify their territorial intentions. - More than 400 geographical names in modern Armenia were renamed from Turkic to Armenian. - The first violence in the 1980s took place in late 1987, when the Armenians expelled 4.000 Azeris from Kafan, Masis and Goris. Azeri refugees were the first in the conflict. They were sent to Sumgait, where only 3 months later the tragedy broke out. It is the undisputable fact that two ethnic Armenians (Grigorian and Oganov) were arrested in Sumgait for killing at least 6 Armenians. Armenians are responsible for the first violence in the conflict, which is the expulsion of the Azeris in 1987. - The first vicitms in the conflict were Azeris - two guys killed by Armenians few days before the Sumgait tragedy in Askeran. - No single bullet had fallen on the Armenian soil since the beginning of the conflict. The war took place only on the territory of Azerbaijan. Azerbaijan is the victim, Armenia is the aggressor. These are only few facts. If you are interested in more information or if you want to read my books and articles, leave your message and address here. I will be happy to send them to you. Regards, Dr. Steven HowlettsCambridge University

Of course you belive your self, you want to, you NEED to cause otherwise you can never find a way to justify what has been done. And stop writing that we have no history, how can people exist without any history ?? And please don�t say that we dont exist. And if you have time, you can visit http://karabakh-az.org/english/index_e.htm and read some more accurate history

ooohh, robo is a busy man

Let me just make something clear to the armenians. Answer to me plz, do u really not see the future of your country and the future of your enemies' country? The population of armenia is decreasing. The econony is going down. armenia has been blockaded by Azerbaijan and Turkey. The political discontent increases as well as internal terrorism. The world opinion about the armenians' agression towards Azerbaijan is being recognised. Now lets look to Azerbaijan. The Baku-Jeyhan oil pipeline is being built which will be ready for 2005(Inshaallah). Azerbaijan's budget will increase 8 times, while armenias' will decrease. Then imagine, how this amount of money will change everything in Azerbaijan. Azerbaijan's army will improve 8 times, it will be provided with better and more weapons. Secondly, it will attract more investment from other countries. So in this stage, if the Karabakh problem will remain as it is today, then Azerbaijan with a big confidence will order the much improved, and probably professionalised Azeri army to march to Karabakh, plus taking with itself at least 3 million volunteers who would like to revenge for the previous war. Now lets be objecttive, that if this will happen, no way armenia will stand this. Now u think, what is better for armenia? To keep Karabakh and plus 7 other Azeri districts under its control and lose everything, or return the lands it has occupied and start rebuilding its economy and start develop armenia?

babek7@hotmail.com

i hope it sticks into your brain that what pushkin said was not really abot all armenians, but even if you don't agree with me, remember that there's no man big enough to make valid opinion about a nation.now i gotta go. i don't have too much time

now to nijat. you never got enough of saying that stupid quote did you? you obveously are sick. 1. there's no single man that can make a judgement about a nation in the world. and pushkin is not exception.just in case you don't know the story of the quote i'll tell you. (i don't relly remember the name of the armenian in pushkins story, but i'l the reffering to him as the armeian)anyway a french guys comes to armenia. he's traveling. and one armenian family offers him one of the members of the family to guide the traveler through the mountains. on the way the traveler and hte armenian become friends. so the traveler wh is older than the armeinan offers him to take him to paris. so they agree. the french guy takes the armenian to france, whre the boy becomes a minister after growing up. (by they way he was adopted by the french guy when they got to france). anyway the armeinan then somehow meedts pushkins wife. they get in love with each other. then. pushkn finds out about it(that the armenian stole his wife) and that's were he says it. then they go to duel and you know the rest

You see leila how his Unsupported, uneducated bs talk and general insult towards armenians create hate? i don't hate every azeri or turk. just the ones like nijat and the barbaric,, fanatic, ones. (to which i think nijat also belongs to). to understand the hate you need to understand the source. i've said it many times. karabakh and nachichevan is historic armenian land. if you want to debate about it we can. just before you do so i'd like you to seach for some historic maps of armenia. in case you can't find it.***************************************some mapshttp://people.bu.edu/asa/metshyeastan.gif http://www.uoregon.edu/~atlas/europe/static/map10.jpghttp://www.roman-empire.net/maps/empire/provinces/trajan/graphics/armenia-24.gif http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~vandersp/Courses/maps/detailf.jpg http://www.raremaps.com/maps/big/4704.jpg http://www.raremaps.com/maps/big/0552.jpg http://www.raremaps.com/maps/big/1712.jpg http://www.raremaps.com/maps/big/0733.jpg http://www.raremaps.com/maps/big/3186.jpg http://www.raremaps.com/maps/big/1850.jpg http://www.raremaps.com/maps/big/2344.jpg http://www.raremaps.com/maps/big/9248.jpg http://www.raremaps.com/maps/big/1244.jpg http://www.raremaps.com/maps/big/2754.jpg http://www.raremaps.com/maps/big/9375r.jpg http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Images/Chicago/hewsen62.gif http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Images/Chicago/hewsen119.gif http://www.press.uchicago.edu/Images/Chicago/hewsen91.gifhttp://www.raremaps.com/cgi-bin/map-builder.cgi?Europe+Armenia http://people.bu.edu/asa/armhistory.html http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~vandersp/Courses/maps/basicmap.html http://www.uoregon.edu/~atlas/europe/static/map10.htmlhttp://www.roman-empire.net/maps/empire/provinces/trajan/armenia.html********************************************now. azerbaijan has never had it's own country until 1918. and even then karabakh was not part of independent azerbaijan. after armenia and azerbaijan got into soviet union karabakh and nachichevan were placed under azeri control. initially nachichevan had a population of about 75%, karabakh 95. by 1970's nachichevan had 0% armenian population, karabakh70%. now nijan may argue that armenian's were brought there by russians. but of course those places had armenian population, including the irevan province. it's true that many armenians migrated there from persia. but if you don't know history you might think armenians are some persian tribe. how did the armenians in persia came to being? during shah abbass hundreds of thousands of armenians were relocated from those provinces to Isfahan and other persian provinces. Now that we know that those armenians (not all) were the initial inhabbitants let's continue. azeris like nijat claim that they are the descendants of albans. If you know history you should know that historic albania includes the northern parts of todays azerbaijan and southern parts of dagestan. which is totally out of borders of karabakh. Now nijan will claim that sassanid concured karabakh and irevan, etc and that those lands belong to azeris. wrong. those lands never belonged to azeris and sassanid were never azrei they were persian. they were not even turkish. but, they were turic speaking persian dynasty. (i'm sure you can find a lot of proof of what i just said on the net. (not on azeri sites of course)). so now we know that karabakh is historicly armenian, how those people in both nachichevan and karabakh were oppressed i think you should know by now. since now there are no armeinans left in nachichevan, azeris are (and were before) destroying historic armenian sites there. (example. http://www.cilicia.com/armo5_jugha.html ) that's just one way of wiping out historic evidence of people. anyway let's go to more recent history. even before the war began. http://www.memo.ru/hr/hotpoints/karabah/GETASHEN/ENG/chapter1.htm -------- why did the they terrorize the village?-------that's even before the war begun?---------and then after that, sumgait, then baku, kirovabad pogroms. isn't that enought reason to hate azeris?----------------------------------------then you know the rest. tell me if there are two nations that are in war with each other can love each other and be at war.------------------------ to your question if there's someone with objective view which takes into account both armenian and azeri side, i' don't know of any. i honestly i don't think there ever will be any ( or at least that i'll know of any). please dont be naive to say that westerners and americans are democratic people. whatever side anyone takes in this war (other than azrmenia and azerbaijan) will be only pursuing his own interests, whether it's oil or something else.-----------------------why did the war start?--i think there are many answers to this.but. 1 there are people who want independence, or not to be under azeri rule (especially after sumgait), 2 there are people who think the lands belong to them (reffering to azeris) and don't want to give up the lands. even when theres' all the proof in the world that karabakh never was part of independent azerbaijan.

----PEOPLE------ I�ve been at this site for a while now. I know that at least 3 or 4 people are going to call me a whore now and tell me to fuck off - wich is a bit unpleasent- but I�m kind of used to that by now so I�m not taking it personal anymore, but what I want to know is why YOU guys are so mad at US?? give me something concreate (except the genocide)

Robo stop playing smart and concentrate on your dead dick instead

as i always said everywhere, there is a very famous saying of Alexander Pushkin, i think there is no need to introduce him as u all should know him very well. he said 'ti rab, ti trus, ti armenin.' it could sound unrealistic to u guys but if u wanna see it urself read his book or easier thing is to read the book of Velichko it is said there. i think u guys also know who is Shakespear right? well he also comented on armenians. he said 'the worst among the blacks are negros, the worst among the whites are armenians.' again i repeat it culd be strange but guys fact is fact. whta i am getting at is that all the facts me and my new friend Leyla put here in this chat cannot be debated. you never find anything to answer back except your swearings and your such called 'armenian policy.' Basically Karabax is ours was ours will be ours!!! you are slaves, cowards depended on Russia. if not them you would be smashed. as we say "TURKUN BILEYI SINMAZDIR" WE REVENGE!!!

azeri_kavkazets@yahoo.com

And concerning the article Robo, it�s good that you are criticall, VERY good infact, But I was thinking, since you dislike Mr Golt and his articles so m�ch I was wondering if you could mention a non armenian journalist that has written about both armenia and azerbaycan so we can analyes and compare the articles with Mr Golts articles.

To love my country and it�s heritage is something natural for me. And something I think everyone no matter nationality should do. It gives you a identity and often also motivation. You try to become as good as possible so you can represent your people and you country and culture in a decent way. But it�s not enough. In order to live a life where you don�t hate your self and where everything you belive in wont show up beeing a lie you have to be able to see and understand, to be honest and to edmit. And if amenians in anyway tries to deny or justify what happened to my people in Azerbaijan in Xojali for 11 years ago you will not only proove to us Azerbaycanians that you have no shame in your bodies but you will also proove it to your selfs.

Salam Nijat bey :) Necesiniz? Yashayin! Cox sagolin ki sizde bu ermenlileri oyadinirsiniz ve bildirirsiniz karabax meselesinnen, ve ki biz sherefli azeriler heczaman torpagimizi elden vermieciuk. cox sagolYASHIN AZERBAYCAN VE TURK MILLETI

they didn't find a cure for you yet?

I havent visited this site for long time. Salam Azeri gizi Leyla. men seni tanimiram ama fexr edirem, ki bele bir gizlarimiz movcuddur. anyways today the 26th of february the day when u armenians massacred the Azeri poeple in karabax. you are all gonna answer to all these tragedies you have caused. its not gonna take long before we get the land back. i dont think that it will be solved by peace, so get ready for a real WAR. "armenians,,, AZERIS ARE BACK!!!!! YASHASIN VAHID AZERBAYCAN!!!

azeri_kavkazets@yahoo.com

armenian

knarart@yahoo.com

have your ead it. firt of all the guy lacks objectiveness. second. his article has one sided view. third there are alot of holes in his article. fourth the guy is bought by azeri govertnment. just do a simple search on yahoo and most the results in his name refer to articles regarding azerbaijan. tell me what kind of objective journalist would dedicate all his time writing about the same issue? if you don't know, i'll give you a hint. the kind that is paid to do.

why would it be a joke??

???????

i mean that Thomas Goltz article (if you can call it so)

is that a joke?

if you want to know what happened to all those people that were forced to leave their homes in order to survive visit www.azer.com and read the articles about the refugees. all the articles aren�t written by azerbaycanians

mena that

if you look colsely you'd see that only cilicia.com is armenian, but the contents is not written by armenian but caroline cox.-----------that thing the armenian wrote is perhaps to anger you guys. i don't think anyone would actually say that

this is whar one of your armenian members has written on the discussion board : ARMYOFGOD Junior Member Member # 2567 posted January 29, 2003 02:00 PM --------------------------------------------------------------------------------DURING THE 1996 CONFLICTS WITH AZERBAIJAN ARMENIAN AND KARABAGH TROOPS BEGAN SLAUGHTERING MANY TURKISH PEOPLE LIVING IN KARABAGH AND THEN BURNED THEIR BODIES ALIVE. THIS IS A GOOD THING BECUASE THE TURKS SAW THAT ARMENIANS TOO CAN SLAUGHTER, TORTURE AND MASSACRE PEOPLE TO AND SO THE TURKS SEE THAT ARMENIANS ARE BETTER. ANOTHER THING IS THE TURKS HAVE NO HISTORY THEY ARE STUPID MUSLIMS WHO WANDERED THE DESERTS AND FINALLY CAME TO ARMENIA. TO SERVE ARMENIA IS TO SERVE CIVILIZATION. F.U.C.K THE TURKS BECUASE TE ARMENIANS HAVE ALWAYS BEEN THE BEST SO F.UC.K THE TURKS BECUASE THEY ARE MUSLIM GARBAGE. ANOTHER THING IS THAT IN THE NAGORNO KARABAGH WAR IRAN SOLDIERS FOUND TWO TURKISH BODIES WITH THE MUSLIM BOOK THE KORAN A KNIFE SHOVED THROUG THE BOOK AND INTO THE TURKS SKULL. NOW LET YOUR ISLAM RELIGION HELP YOU STUPID MUSLIM TURKS.F.U.C.K ALL OF YOU. I can�t belive that anyone can be more stupid. Eventhough we turks might have killed your people to we don�t go around bragging and disrespecting your religion and the dead ones like this. I�t really makes me sick , and you guys call us disgusting

----ROBO--- please! All those pages are Armenian pages

-------VICKEN----Allah senin cheytan armeni boyuyu yera soxsun, eshak oglu eshak

LEYLA and SENELA or whatever the fuck your name is:Go talk your disgusting, pagan, Mongol language somewhere else you shits. AZERIS can suck shit for the rest of their lives for all I'm concerned.

Vicken Y.

quote:--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Yavar Aliyev, 7 years, bullet wound in hand and chest. "When the shooting began we went down into the neighbors basement. Then we ran to the forest."Yavar`s mother, Naciba Aliyeva. "There were 40 people with us. We tried to escape. Near the bridge there were about 50-armed men in the uniform of OMON (special police detachment). They called us in Azeri, we became glad and ran towards them and only then realized that they began shooting us. From 40 people only 14 remained alive". --------------------------------------------------------------------------------http://www.khojaly.org.az:8101/genocide.html now read this.quote:--------------------------------------------------------------------------------Azerbaijan refers shamelessly to a 1992 military event, where,according to then-Azerbaijani President Mutalibov, the responsibilityfor the slaughter of the civilian population of the mostly Azeri cityof Khojalu near the capital Stepanakert of Nagorny Karabakh fullyfalls on the Azeri opposition group, the Azerbaijani National Front. In the days following the event, President Mutalibov, in aninterview with Czech journalist Dana Mazalova published in the 2 April1992 issue of the Russian newspaper Nizavisimaya Gazeta, said that themilitia of the Azerbaijani National Front actively obstructed andactually prevented the exodus of the local population through themountain passages specifically left open by Karabakh Armenians tofacilitate the flight of the civilian population. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------http://www.un.org/documents/ga/docs/52/plenary/a52-85.htm http://www.cilicia.com/Ethniccleansing.htm http://www.cilicia.com/Convenience.htm http://www.cilicia.com/Azeriterrorism.htm http://www.memo.ru/hr/hotpoints/karabah/GETASHEN/ENG/chapter1.htm http://www.bsos.umd.edu/cidcm/mar/azearmen.htm http://www.umd.umich.edu/dept/armenian/facts/karabagh.html ---------------------------------------------------------a clue what happened to baku, kirovabad, sumgait? 1998-1990?

a clue, 11 years ago in xojali

Does any of you intelligent people know what day it is the 26 th of february ????????? If not check it up

Easy

this isn't a turkish chat for you. if you wanna say something say it in a language that we all understand.

----SANELA------ bu s�zler nedir sen deyirsen ?? Sen bir Azeri giz olaraq gerek danishdiqui bilesen. Abromizi t�kme, allaha g�re. O ishleri goy armenilerin �zderi elesin. Turk milletimizi gerek temiz saxliyaq, belke menim yazilarimin ichinda bir az ishgallar ola ama men azeri ders oxumamisham onag�redir

blow me

I�m Azeri and I�m sooooo proud, and you know what, You can�t do a piss about that you motherfucker. I hope you burn in hell all of you armenian trash. don�t tell me who I can fuck, I can fuck everybody except armenians because you guys cant get your dicks up hahahahah idiots

i interpreted what you said otherwise.

oy, "gave away" is a expression we use when a father allows his daughter to marry someone, I don�t mean that they litterary GAVE their daughters to people

I do not understand you guys.........

i'm not saying there were no marriages of armenian women with azeri men or azeri women with armenian men, but what you said is absurd

commaon sence doesn't proove that armenian fathers GAVE AWAY their daughters to azeris

come on, before the war azeris and armenians lived next to each other in Baku.I mean it�s not nessecary to bring proof, just use your common sens

k fine. since you're so sure of what you say why don't you give some proof

-----Teny----- Whatever

-----ROBO---- Why involve my grandmother?? You seem to be out of words. I�m sure of what ʹm saying. It�s up to you to decide weather you belive me or not. But if I were you I would instead of beeing in denial start doing something about the problem. By the way, have you had a bad day or something?? You really went of hard on Sanela. Maybe a smile from me can chear you up :) LOL

Okie for all thoese people who what to be armenians u can NEVER be an armenian!!!!! I no everyone whats to be a armenian but if u dont have that armenian blood then ur not a armenian!!!!!!

Devilchik998@aol.com

to leaila. are you serious. where did you hear such things? as if armenians give away their daughters to azeri men? your grandma didn't tell you at night when you were sleeping did she?---------------to Sanela: go f$#@k yourself you azeri idiot. you're eigher dumb and didn't understand what i'm saying (which Raffi Aidiniantz said in a better and more detaild way) or you've no respect whatsoever towards other's opinions. you don't care do you. you could slip witha n arab today, with a french tommorrow, with an italian the other day etc. isn't that how you judge? frankly i don't give a deam. you can be a mutt or whatever you want but either have some f#@ken respect aobut other's opinions or f#@k off you f#@ken blockhead

robo are you retarded?? I dont want to be mean :) hugs sanela

-------Raffi Aidiniantz-- say that to all the armenian fathers who gives their daughters away to our Azerbaycanian men, they need to hear your strong and patriocatic words because I agree with you to one houndred percent, we should not mix with each other. LONG LIVE AZERBAYCAN AND ITS PEOPLE

Some people say, "AS LONG AS YOU LIKE THE PERSON IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT CULTURE IT IS" - Some people say it doesn�t matter who your husband is, who you marry, or who you date -- BUT I SAY THIS -- Armenians have preserved their culture, their blood, their religion, their traditions, FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS - We are an ancient people! We have survived, and continue to survive - Anybody who says its okay to sleep with, or marry a non-Armenian is an enemy of the Armenian race!!! We MUST preserve ourselves! We can not afford to marry and mix our blood and culture with other people, because then the Armenian race will no longer exist! We must stick together! Mexicans can afford to mix themselves with other races, because it will not endanger their race, because there are MILLIONS of Mexicans all over the place - They can afford it if some of their people mix themselves! BUT WE CAN NOT AFFORD TO DO THAT! WE ARE AN ENDANGERED SPECIES! THERE ARE ONLY A FEW MILLION ARMENIANS LEFT! WE MUST STICK TOGETHER AND MULTIPLY, AND PRESERVE OUR IDENTITY - IF YOU HAVE ANY ARMENIAN PRIDE, ANY UNDERSTANDING OF WHO YOU ARE, THEN YOU WILL NOT MIX YOURSELF WITH OTHERS! We are not Mexican, we are not black, we are not white - WE ARE ARMENIAN! AND WE WILL STAY ARMENIAN, SO HELP US GOD!

Raffielo@earthlink.net

CORRECTION:you'd know if you knew more about armeinan history. that's not the ONLY reason.

the thing is that armenians try to preserve their culture. you'd know if you know more about armeinan history.that's not the reason. it just feels different than with others.-------------i'm 21----------but what does it matter?-----------

HI JUST WANT TO COMMENT ON ARMENIANS FEELING DEGRADED WHEN IT COMES TO BEING WITH MEXICANS! IT IS NOT SO BAD, WE ARE AS DECENT AND FUN TO BE WITH AS YOU ARE. I DONT KNOW ALOT ABOUT MY OWN CULTURE NOR YOURS BUT WHAT I DO KNOW IS THAT AS LONG AS YOU LIKE THE PERSON IT DOES NOT MATTER WHAT CULTURE IT IS, THAT'S IGNORANCE! I ONLY HEAR GOOD THINGS ABOUT ARMENIANS AND SEEN GOOD THINGS FROM ARMENIANS, AND UNFORTUNATELY, THIS IS WHAT MESSES UP THE REAL PRIDE THAT YOU HAVE. WRITE BACK.

a personal question to robo, how old are you ???

just trying to refresh the memory of those who are brainwashed. and consider themselves the descendants of albans. those types of brainwashed talk create hatred. and they hate like sheep without knowing the truth or wanting to accept. since i found a reliable source (whoch i think you'll agree with me) i decided to put it here.

----ROBO---What are you trying to say???

I think that Armenian people are the best people in the world they are good hearted and my good friends. I think there country is beautiful. I cant wait to go there my self. If you are armenian I think you should be very proud.

angel_verses_devil@hotmail.com

The area of present-day Azerbaijan was settled beginning in about the 8th century bc by the Medes, an ancient Aryan tribe. It became part of the Persian Empire in the 6th century bc, and the ancient Persian religion of Zoroastrianism was introduced. From the 4th century bc until the 9th century ad the state of Caucasian Albania (Aghvan) existed in eastern Transcaucasia. In the 4th century ad, that state adopted Christianity. A much-disputed area, eastern Transcaucasia was conquered in the late 7th century ad by Arabs, and Islam predominated thereafter. In the mid-11th century Seljuk Turks under Togrul Beg conquered present-day Azerbaijan as well as most of Iran and Iraq. Turkic tribes migrated to the area from the east and came to influence the linguistic and cultural development of the Azerbaijanis. With the Mongol invasions of the 13th century, the area fell under the domain of Mongol khans. In the 16th century Azerbaijan again came under the control of Iran (formerly known as Persia), which was ruled by the Safavid dynasty, and the Shiite doctrine of Islam was established as the official religion. The Ottomans, who were Sunnites, went to war with Iran and held Azerbaijan from 1578 to 1603, but the Safavids continued to reign over the area until their dynasty fell in the early 18th century. Turkic Muslim khanates were then established in Baku, Nax�ivan, and other areas.Microsoft� Encarta� Encyclopedia 2002. � 1993-2001 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

that went to the so called philosoper

let me ask you a question.1. do you hate yourself?2. do you know anything of armenian history(well besides genocide)?

Ok, guys... You are all taking it a bit too far. It's true that Turkish people did bad things, but those bitter words are no way of handling your anger. And no, I am not Turkish or anything. And really, don't Armenian people discriminate too? I don't know, but.. sometimes, you guys all seem to be way too crazy with cars and black people. And you discriminate against other races. White being one of them... And seriously, I just want to know. Why are you so proud of being Armenian? give me any good reasons.

truephilosopher@hotmail.com

hallo armenians, god bless you all. in the end we will win and fuck the turk and turkish speeking peoples.

nazkolb

dedde

profeshioanal@hipopohotmail.dk

All Motherfuckin turkish biches and guys i will 1 day come and kill you all i hate fuckin turkish motherfuckers FUCK turkia ....MORET KUNEM turker...Fuck turkish people my gang and me hate dem we make DRIVEBYE�S ON DEM HEHEHEHE LOVE ARMENIA ****!!!

hey yo nune 1st of all if u dont like us armenians and ur callin us stupid why the hell do u even bother sayin ur armenian ur a degrass to all livinin armenians and u should be ashamed and if u got somthin to say write to me dont be afraid im Just a simple Armenian girl who is proud to be armenian unlike ur white ass so keep thinkin that all armenians are stupid but really its u

RoxyGrll13@aol.com

i love ur stupid sites

VICKEN---Don�t worry about my mouth! OK! I know how to use it. But you on the other hand should think about your behaviour, you are so low.You will never take armenia nor it�s people anywhere, you are no good for nothing. Why dont you just dissappear???? SuckerLONG LIVE AZERBAYCAN AND IT�S PEOPLE

LEYLA:Watch your mouth! Make sure it's not wrapped around Turkish dick...It'll get a disease!

VICKEN--Watch your mouth

LEYLA: You are nothing but a Mongol Azeri whore.

i'm proud to be armenian

Maria

kaytsak

NUNE----- You are so sick. LOL that you are even funny. Why would I make something like that up?? Anyway, if I bug you guys so much why don�t you make up a way to bounce me??? Or don�t you know how to ??? LOLYASHASIN AZERBAYCAN VE TURK MILLETI

NUNE---- For your information I don�t live in America as the most of you guys. I live in Europe, in a non-english speaking country. Therefore your low teasing methods wont do the effect that you proberbly hopped for, that I should feal ashamed and like apologise or something.I dont need to spell everything right, something that a person that lives in America should be able to do, and that the most armenians living in America ( on this site) cant. LOL And by the way what kind of a mean person are you, who cares if I spell a word wrong, as long as you understand what I mean??? Screw you.And concerning the dick sucking, I have better things to do tan to occupie my self with armenian activities.

n_nedaei@hotmail.com

You know what Leyla? go suck a Turkish dick. First off, if your going to call an Armenian stupid, learn how to spell the word S-T-U-P-I-D. Secondly who the hell is that Armo friend of yours who respects your opinion so much. I bet that Armo friend crap is all bullshit you made up. And lastly who the fuck told you to visit an Armenian site anyways.

U ALL R f***EN RASIST'S! CANT U GUYS JUST GET ALONG F***!!!!!!!!

METE and CENK = Turkish attrocities symphathizers, motherfuckers. If you love ARmenians so much, give the families of the genocide survivors back their land as well as reparations. Punk ass Mongol shit.

HELLO TO MY ALL ARMENIANS AND TURKISH FRIENDS IN LOS ANGELES.AND ONE THINK WE ARE ALL FRIENDS THEN STOP GIVING EACHOTHER A BAD TIME.BE IN PEACE AND QUIET.LOVE FROM IZMIR...

When I was reading others comments i felt so bad because we are in 2003 we should be in peace and why is people still living with the history? Everything is over.Stop swearing to eachother and try to know eachother better at least if you have any problems try to solve them in the political arena not here!!!This page suppose to be used in a friendly way.I am 22 year old Turkish and in Turkey we all live in peace and friendly life.We dont have any problems.But people who lives abroad they always bring history to daylights which is not right.I dont want anyone to swear at my country or to Armenia or Greece.Stop this We all want peace.Worls has enough problems.Stop living with history.PLEASE COME TO PEACE.thank you

When I was reading others comments i felt so bad because we are in 2003 we should be in peace and why is people still living with the history? Everything is over.Stop swearing to eachother and try to know eachother better at least if you have any problems try to solve them in the political arena not here!!!This page suppose to be used in a frindly way.I am 22 year old Turkish and in Turkey we all live in peace and friendly.We dont have any problems.But people who lives abroad they always bring history to daylights which is not right.I dont want anyone swear to my country or to Armenia or Greece.Stop this We all want peace.Worls has enough problems.Stop living with history.PLEASE COME TO PEACE.thank you

When I was reading others comments i felt so bad because we are in 2003 we should be in peace and why is people still living with the history? Everything is over.Stop swearing to eachother and try to know eachother better at least if you have any problems try to solve them in the political arena not here!!!This page suppose to used in a frindly page.I am 22 year old Turkish and in Turkey we all live in peace and friendly.We dont have any problems.But people who lives abroad they always bring history to daylights which is not right.I dont want anyone swear to my country or to Armenia or Greece.Stop this We all want peace.Worls has enough problems.Stop living with history.PLEASE COME TO PEACE.thank you

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------- Hey ROBO--- I think that we�ve made the same misstake here, when we�ve written "you armenians" or " you azeris". But I think it�s very easy to generalize,both knowingly and unknowingly. I think that even if you want it to sound as if all of those youre talking about is bad, you know deep down that often the case isn�t so. The situation that we azeris and armenians are in are really hard, it�s not easy liking each other when we know about everything we have done towards each other, our situation is compareable with the israelian and the palestinian situation (unfourtunetly) so when you ask me to be objective (something I honestly try to be) You have to realize it�s hard, but I�ll try to do my best. And just so you know I don�t expect so much nice words in here and the truth is that it�s just amusing to read when people swear to and stuff, it�s fun to se how low their ready to sink

n_nedaei@hotmail.com

------Respond to Vicken Y---- Sorry man but I can�t accept your offer, you know, I�m not in to that stuff. And that armenian friend of mine that I was talking about, he knows about my opinions about what really happened,and he dosen�t agree with me , so what? Haven�t you gotten that yet? That you cant always agree about things in life? Anyway, it�s obvieuse that your lost man. And eventhough I say that the genocide towards you guys didn�t happen dosen�t mean that I have anything against armenians as persons, but I do have something against you IDIOT MOORAN, I think you are one of the most stupide people I have ever met, and absoluetly the most stupide armenian .I bet you feel real proud now that you�v written all that crap about what youre gonna do to me if I visit that corner of yours where you earn all your money. But you know what,you disgusting bastard I don�t give a shit about what you think about me, and I�m gonna continue posting messages just to bug you.

n_nedaei@hotmail.com

LEYLA:You say, and I quote...."Oh by the way, the genocide did not occure", and at the same time, you say you have nothing against Armenians. Here is what I think of it:You are a Turk ho who likes it in the but. COme on over to the corner of Western and Hollywood in Los Angeles, and I'll give it to you just that way byatch. ANd stop posting your bullshit. By the way, tell your Armenian friend that the Turks never committed Genocide against the Armenians, and see if he doesn't give you crap either. If he doesn't, tell himm to come over to that same corner so that hew too can get it in the but. IDIOT SEEKEM SENI POZ SHARMOOTA!

happy noew year to you too.you got me wrong. i wasn't tryying to be rude, i was just telling oyu that you shoudlnt expect more than cussing if you continue to generalize.yes i may've generalized by saying you azeris or you turks because of the overwhelmingly similar opinions and attitudes on the internet of you azeris and turks. and when i generalize i don't refer to every single turk or azeri i refer to all those who are of the same or similar opinion. there's a difference by saying you azeris and you turks and cussing at all azeris and all turks.you're right i don't see the "beauty" of turks. (except some). and you should make more research and read more about the genocide before saying it didn't occur.and by the way you're welcome here at lest to me as long as you keep your points objective.

RESPOND TO ROBO---- First of all I want to wish you a happy new year Robo, eventhough you have ben nothing but rude towards me(but what should I expect I�m on a armenian chat site and I�m Azeri) Anyway, when I say that it makes no importance for me what age the "children" who swears are at, I say it because I think it�s a question of manners, not age. I�m only sixteen years old my self, I�m not a child anymore but nor am I a grown up. My age woulden�t be a acceptable excuse for me to use, so that I could swear and say everything I would like to. You have to have some selfcontroll for gods sake. And you should know that you really make me angry with your accusations, they might be true I�v used the frase " you armenians" but not as many times as you have used " you turks, azeris". If you cant control your own language, don�t come complaining on me, what kind of a person are you. And of course you can�t se the beauty in being turk because you are�nt one your self and are to much of a racist. I came to this site to check out how people in here behave and how they think and I must say that you guys went over my expectations. But I�v understood that I�m not welcome in here, what a pity :( I didn�t come here to fight but it seemes as if that�s the only thing that can be donme in here. Once again I tell all turks to keep loving their country and to be patriots, Oh by the way, the genocide did not occure,

i said youw ere generalizing because of a few posts. assume there are 5 posts by 5 different people, it still doesn't give you the right to generalize unless you're confident enough that many armenians would express themselves that way.-----------------------------------------------------------anyway. i don't know what his goal was though i think that your goal might've been to degrade armenians by generalizin and calling unibrows etc.-----------------------------------------------------------however many armenians here are sick of stupid azeri posts that's why i think they don't even want to bother with intellegent arguments and cuss at at the first sign of hatred that they see from you because they don't want you here.----------------i'm not trying to find an excuse for their attitude, the point is that i'm trying to tell you to be careful in what you post and not generalize otherwise you're not gonna be able to have a descent conversation here.-------------------------------------------------"They might be children but that has no importance for me"-------------------------------------------------it sounds pretty stupid to say such a thing.------------------------------------------------"And I want you to know that even if I haven�t succeded I have tried to be carefull with what I�v written so you wouldent get me wrong"---------------------------------------------------the point is that you generalized. period. you can either stop generalizing in your further messages or expect more "comments"-----------------------------------------------------------"And when you draw a conclusion such as me wanting to write intelligently,you just make a fool of your self in my opinion."----------------------------------------------i didn't drow a conclusion, i assumed. if you don't want to have an intellegent conversation and if you write what you feel, don't be surprised to hear what others feel about you.---------------------------------------------i don't know what you think is so wonderful about turks, but they don't seem wonderful to me when they deny the genocide.

THIS IS GAY

Respond to Robo-- First of all I want to make clear that I do care about what you guys think and about your opinions, otherwise I wouldn�t waste my time in here. The reason for why I told Vicken I didn�t care was because he had written about things that I didn�t think was relevant to what I was saying. And that his opinions and feelings about his country didn�t matter for me and I simply didn�t care about them because it had nothing to do with what I was saying and he just seemed stupide saying those thing�s. And I also said that because his goal with responding me was to once again degrade my people and make us look bad, nothing else. Then I want you to be carefull about accusing me of generalising when that is what the majority of your own people in here are doing. They might be children but that has no importance for me, they feel what they do and to use their age as an excuse is kind of low I think.They call me a thief, when I haven�t stolen anything in my whole life, they call me a murderer , when I woulden�t even kill one of you guys, and they tell me they hate me and want to se me ded, why?? Because I�m Azeri, because I�m Turk. And I want you to know that even if I haven�t succeded I have tried to be carefull with what I�v written so you wouldent get me wrong and think that I hate your people because I dont.I even have a boy in my class that is armenian and we come along just fine. And when you draw a conclusion such as me wanting to write intelligently,you just make a fool of your self in my opinion. I just write what I feel in here, and read what you have written because it�s interseting I think. Then it�s up to each one to make their own opinions about what issaid, and now I�v learnt to know yours about mine. And once again I want to add that Turks are wonderfull and should never forgett that, we should all be proud of what we are. Long live Turk milleti

correction (posting messges)

leila just in case you're interested.there are some azeris, turks on this site that are under armenian names. (actually i think it's one stupid moran).and most of their posts here have been to degrade armenians as a nation etc.and there are also some kids who don't really understand the capacity of their words, but just want to say something but don't know how to express themselves.so the point is DON't talk in general. like " you Armenians are" unless you have specific things you back your claim that all armenians are...since it seems that you want to talk more intelegently about your points, your points will not be taken seriously if you continue to talk in generalif you don't care what i say then why are you even on this site posting topics?

Respond to Vicken Y.First of all I must say that you Armenians are -I must admitt- good at one thing, and that is to constantly assure and reminde your selfs and other people of how stupide some of you guys really are. Did I ever mention you in my text Vicken? The answer is NO, then why do you talk about how YOU feel about Armenians?? As if I care. I dont know??? I was talking about how blessed you armenians �re by god and how it shows on the language you use. On your vocabulary, filled with words like fuck and trash etc. And then I want to add that you are the one who is morally bankrupt when you are degrading your own people over the Internet, not because I mind , but I want you to know how bad it looks , especially in "enemies eyes" such as mine.You simply seme stupide. Let me quote on some of the things you wrote "Armenians are in a bad shape right now because we don't have the balls enough, our Armenan lawyers are for the most part ambulance chacing idiots. Once one of them has the guts to after a reformation return to moraility we wil be great once again" I mean its not because I dont agree with the picture of your people but if you guys write that stuff about your own people dont come to me and sweare because me or my people does so.I don know who you are or what you do but you seeme really confused man. You need to talk to somebody. Anyway I want you to know how proud I am over beig Azeri and no matter what you guys say I�ll always love my country, all of it , including KarabakhLove to all turks Mwah

n_nedaei@hotmail.com

genocide is not over. as long as it is denied by ignorant turks like you it will not be over.as for our swearings. well who doesn't swear? the point is that we want your to leave this site, or at least stop the stupid comments. that's because of the stupid comments that we swear. not because our god told us to. at least use some logic. people don't swear just because.unibrows? lol. and who's talking. get a life.

u guys r crazie genocide iz OVER..u guys should find better things to talk bout i noe it iz sad but u can't change anything that has happended in the past.get a life and armo's wit unibrows disguist me..

Hey Leyla:Just becuase I think Armenians are not good people right now, doesn't mean I like the Turks. I think you are a bastard race of Mongol excrament and that you are too weak and scared to admit to the massacres your forefathers (or should I say foref***ers) committed. Hone up like the Germans. Indeed, one of the reasons why I think we Armenians are in a bad shape right now is because we don't have the balls enough to sue your government and people for war reparations like the Jews have done. That's partly because our Armenan lawyers are for the most part ambulance chacing idiots. Once one of them has the guts to do this, your bastard race will be financially bankrupt Leyla, as they are morally. Again, I emphasize Armenians are bad now, but after a reformation when we return to moraility we wil be great once again.

I must say it�s raher amusing to read what you armenians write here on this site. In one hand you say that god has blessed you and that we turks will burn in hell, that gives me the impress�on that you are religious and belive in god, then on the other hand you write about how we should fuck our selfs, our sisters and our mothers and everything around us up. Hm then I start to figure, if you armenians really are blessed by god how come he didn�t bless you with intelligence enough so you would at least be able to express your feelings in more various ways than just by swearing. Well, well you know your god the best. Then I just want to tell all the Turks that sees this that I love ervery single one of you. Mwah a kiss to Azerbaycan and to turk millet. Yashasin Yashasin

n_nedaei@hotmail.com

I just want to say that no matter wath you Armenians say Karabakh belongs to US, Azerbaijanians. I dont give a damn about your historical books and temples that you guys refer to because the only reason for why they exist is because you murderers went their and built them without permission, ok,not because it was your land or anything. I�m from South Azerbaijan (in Iran) and when we become independent Inshalla, very soon, we�ll gather up with the republic of Azerbaijan and we will solve this issue very fast and proffesional, by throwing all you guys out of our land so our people whom you guys have made refuges in their own land can return to their motherland and go back to their lifes. Finally I just wan�t to say that I really dont hate you Armenians ,although I must say I dislike what you have done towards my people very much, but I love Turks I love us all Yashasin Azerbaycan , Yashasin Turk millet , jippi yohoo

n_nedaei@hotmail.com

Dear Readers,It is most unfortunate that members of our Armenian community still harbor hatred, albeit understandable.However, the past is not our fault neither are we responsible for what has transpired for both Armenian and Turks alike. However, the present and future are in our collective hands. Bear in mind that all our lives are of a finite length and to a certain degree, outside our control.My request is that we collectively think carefully about our choices and treat each other with dignity and respectfor the very short time that we are on earth! For the forthcoming year 2003, my sincere wishes to both Armenians and Turks alike, is to be at peace with each other.I wish you all well.Zuan

and i bet you're very happy trashing armenian's name you azeri garbage

I agree with Vicken. I am an Armenian, but hate to be with Armenians. You don't know how much I hate them. I plan my vacations around places where I am sure I will not run into any Armos. So Las Vegas, for instance, is out of the question. ANd yes, I also agree we should go through a reformation of sorts to clean out all the Armo shit among us, like the priests (nothing butc crooks) and terrorist motherf***ers!

The prblem with us Armenians is that we like to screw each other over versus helping each other out. We envy the Jews because they help each other all the time, to get into medical schools, in business, etc. In fact, look at our heroes...They are all terrorists, some of which live right here in Los Angeles and are given jobs in schools and the like. Until we realize that our race is currently despicable, we will never be able to reform ourselves. I long for the Armenia and Armenians of old. Currently, we are nothing but terrorist loving, welfare frauding bastards.

I think that the turkish goverment should give us back our rightful land insted of filling our sacred churches with cows and farm animals. The Armenian history has been forgotten by everyone besides true Armenins. part of the problem is we are racist ganist our own race . We as Armenins can't achieve anything if we don't stand together.My prents re from Irn and they are CHristan nd they spek Armenian very well. I ws born in America nd I spek Armenian very Welland i get involved in Armenian Activites. It's the spirt of the Armenian not the the plce where they cme from because in they end they must have come from Armenian.

I think that the turkish goverment should give us back our rightful land insted of filling our sacred churches with cows and frm animals. The Armenian history has been forgotten by everyone besides true Armenins. part of the problem is we are racist ganist our own race . We as Armenins can't achieve anything if we don't stand together.My prents re from Irn and they are CHristan nd they spek Armenian very well. I ws born in America nd I spek Armenian very Welland i get involved in Armenian Activites. It's the spirt of the Armenian not the the plce where they cme from because in they end they must have come from Armenian.

man peace hell na men what u guys thinking of they dont want peace they want to end us only 6 million of us and u want to do is give them peace na if ppl mess or fu*k with armenians i wil be there to fight back i will die for my race thatz how much i love it. peace is the last i want ppl dont get it. i hate ppl when they r scared and they dont know what to do and just want to take the easy way out i say this who ever sayz shit about armenians they r a son of a bitch... and to the rest of the ppl who want peace fuck* peace after what truk did to us they can suck my dic* all i care fucken pussy ass faggets they got ball's let them come to LA and fuck with us

do you think peace can be acheived when there's ignorance or denial?

i welcome all armenains, turks, azeris, kurds, africans, asians... to peace..! we are all humans and in fact, we're not so diffrent from each other!

c_yildiz@solo.delfi.ee

From my point of view by reading this whole thing on thetop, written by Armenians is true, and I have the proof. Icopied this article from the Encarta Enciclopedia 2003. Ifyou don't have time to read this or you don't want to readit that means you don't want to find out the truth or maybeyou know it allready. Armenian MassacresI INTRODUCTION web center U Find the best online information about Armenian Massacres. Encarta Online SearchCurrent Events SearchPeriodicals SearchGeneral Web Search more... Armenian Massacres, series of deadly acts against Armeniansliving in the Ottoman Empire, organized by governmentauthorities in the last decades of the 19th century andfirst decades of the 20th century. The most devastatingmassacres began in 1915 during World War I (1914-1918).These wartime atrocities have become known as the ArmenianGenocide. More than a million Armenians perished as a resultof these actions, according to most estimates.The Ottoman Empire was defeated in World War I, but sporadicattacks against its remaining Armenian subjects continuedinto the 1920s, as remnants of the once mighty empirestruggled for survival. In 1923 the Republic of Turkeyinherited what remained of the Ottoman Empire, including thelegacy of the Armenian massacres and deportations. Althoughan Ottoman Military Tribunal convicted members of theempire?s ruling Young Turk party for these crimes after thewar, the Turkish government today denies that the Ottomangovernment organized the massacres and disputes theircharacterization as genocide.II BACKGROUND The connection between Armenia and the land that is nowTurkey goes back more than 2,500 years. From 94 to 69 bc theArmenian nation reached the height of its glory under KingTigranes I, also known as Tigran the Great, who unitedArmenian territories into a Greater Armenia. Armenia?sterritories extended from the Caucasus region (present-dayArmenia, Azerbaijan, and Georgia) to Anatolia and Cilicia(present-day Turkey) in the west, and to Syria andMesopotamia (present-day Iraq) in the southwest. In 69 bc Armenia fell to Roman invaders, and in subsequentcenturies the Armenian nation became fragmented andconsiderably weakened. During the 10th and 11th centurieswaves of Armenians migrated to Cilicia, establishing there akingdom that lasted until 1375. The Ottoman Empire conqueredmost of Cilicia in the 15th and 16th centuries. In the early1800s the Russians won military victories over the MuslimOttomans and their Persian neighbors. The conquest of mostof Armenia by Russia, which shared with Armenia the bond ofthe Christian religion, triggered an exodus of tens ofthousands of Armenians from both Persia and the OttomanEmpire. The Armenian �migr�s settled in various parts of thesouthern Caucasus, forming a new geopolitical entity,Russian Armenia.The Armenians fared rather well under Russian rule, althoughRussia began to follow a policy of Russification in thesecond half of the 19th century. Under this policy thegovernment forbade schools to teach in languages other thanRussian and banned publication in certain non-Russianlanguages. Armenian resistance to periodic attempts atcoercive Russification led to conflicts between Russians andArmenians. These conflicts paled, however, beside theever-escalating conflicts in the Ottoman Empire betweenTurks and Armenians, and Kurds and Armenians. The Ottomanrulers at best tolerated Armenians as infidels (nonbelieversin the state religion) and at worst persecuted them asenemies of Islam and the Ottoman state. Although localreligious leaders had control over community affairs,non-Muslims were subject to discriminatory taxes and had nomeaningful representation in the Ottoman government.III THE RISE OF NATIONALISM Until the middle of the 19th century the national identityof Armenians under Ottoman rule had a distinctly religiouscoloration. This identification of Armenians with theirChristian religion placed them in sharp contrast with theIslamic culture around them. But during the mid-19th centuryArmenian national sentiment became politicized, influencedin part by the spread of the ideals of the French Revolution(1789-1799). That revolution had championed nationalism(belief in a nation-state with common ties of language,religion, and culture) as an antidote to tyranny under therule of a monarch. The awakening of nationalist feelingsapart from religious identification stirred many of thepeoples who lived under Ottoman rule in the Balkan Peninsulato free themselves from Ottoman domination through revolution. The Armenians, on the other hand, initially relied on areform movement to end the abuses of an oppressive regime.They were encouraged by the Tanzimat reforms that theOttoman government had declared in 1839 and 1856 underEuropean pressure. These reform acts, designed to modernizethe empire, guaranteed equality and forbade discriminationagainst non-Muslim subjects. Nevertheless, abuses persisted.With the support of Britain and other European powers, theArmenians for decades petitioned Ottoman authorities toprotect them and their property, especially fromextortionist tax collectors, corrupt officials, and aboveall from raids by Kurdish tribesmen. Ottoman oppression resulted from a system of theocracy inwhich the sultan was head of state and of the statereligion, Islam, and answerable only to Allah (God). Underthe Ottoman theocracy, minority subjects generally hadlimited rights, rulers believed their own status wasdivinely preordained, and practices such as exclusion anddiscrimination typically became institutionalized. Thosepractices provided a steady source of friction and conflictbetween non-Muslim subjects and Ottoman authorities. Fromits beginnings the multiethnic Ottoman state was, therefore,pregnant with nationality conflicts.By the late 1800s the Ottoman Empire was seriously weakened.Various Balkan Christian peoples under Ottoman rule hadgained independence as a result of a series of Greek andSerbian insurrections and the Russo-Turkish war of 1877 and1878. Russia, the victor in that war, had imposed harshterms on the Ottoman Empire in the peace treaty. Alarmed atRussia?s growing strength, other European powers, notablyAustria-Hungary and Britain, insisted upon a new treaty. Indoing so they invoked the 1856 Treaty of Paris, which endedthe Crimean War. That treaty stipulated that all six GreatPowers must be involved in negotiations with the Ottomangovernment. The Great Powers met in 1878 at the Congress ofBerlin to draw up a new treaty. Article 61 of the Treaty ofBerlin called for the Ottoman sultan to immediately put intoeffect reforms needed to protect the security of Armenians.It also authorized the European powers to ?superintend theapplication? of these reforms. Despite pressure from Britain, reforms were not undertakenby the defeated Ottoman Empire, which protested that anempty treasury prevented it from policing its easternprovinces. The sultan, however, strongly opposed thesereforms on behalf of Armenians in the belief that they wouldlead to autonomy (self-government) and ultimately toindependence for the Armenians. This process had been thepattern in the Balkans. At this time Muslim Kurdish tribes, spurred by the sultan?spolicy of Islamic patriotism, were raiding Armenian villagesin the eastern provinces of the empire. Corrupt taxcollectors also harassed villagers. Conflict with theArmenians intensified when certain Armenian groups thatdespaired of peaceful reforms abandoned that quest andresorted to confrontation. Three revolutionary partiessprang up as a result. Ottoman Armenians led one party, theArmenakans, which formed in 1885 in the eastern Vanprovince. The other two were rather militant and combativeparties founded by Russian Armenians. In 1887 emigrants fromRussian Armenia founded the Hunchak party in Geneva,Switzerland. Three years later Russian Armenians in Tbilisi,Georgia, founded the Dashnak party. Armenian demonstrations against Ottoman authorities tookplace in 1890 and 1895 in the Ottoman capital,Constantinople (now ?stanbul). The Hunchaks organizeduprisings in the towns of Sason, in 1894, and Zeytun (nowS�leymanl?), in 1895. The Dashnaks mounted an unsuccessfulexpedition across the Russian border into Ottoman territoryin 1890 and occupied the Ottoman Bank in 1896. Theserevolutionary undertakings led to counterattacks against theempire?s general Armenian population. Empire-wide massacresof Armenians from 1894 to 1896 claimed approximately 200,000victims, either directly or as a result of associatedhardships. Under the banner of Islam, Sultan Abd al-Hamid IIhad enlisted the help of several Kurdish tribes in theeastern part of the empire. They acted as quasi-militarydetachments and played a critical role in the destruction ofproperty and lives. These attacks became known as the SultanAbd al-Hamid-era Armenian massacres.Some of the Armenian revolutionaries and others hoped thatthe massacres would provoke the intervention of the Europeanpowers (Britain, France, Austria-Hungary, and Germany).Although the leaders of the European powers publiclycondemned the actions of the sultan, they failed tointervene. Mutual rivalries and suspicions, as well as theimprecise terms of Article 61 of the Treaty of Berlin,helped produce this inaction. But these bloody episodes soonpaved the way for the rise of a new nationalist movement inthe Ottoman Empire that would displace Islam as the mainrallying force.IV THE YOUNG TURK REVOLUTION AND ITS CONSEQUENCES Upset by Abd al-Hamid?s increasingly autocratic rule andalarmed by threats to the empire?s survival, a group ofcivilian and military revolutionaries known as the YoungTurks, combined their resources and efforts, inside andoutside the empire, to overthrow the sultan and his regime.The Young Turk Revolution of 1908 and 1909 restored theempire?s constitution and parliament and deposed Abdal-Hamid. By ending the sultan?s 33-year despotic reign, theYoung Turks hoped to stop the empire?s decay anddisintegration. Although Abd al-Hamid?s brother retained the title ofsultan, a group of Young Turks operating under the nameCommittee of Union and Progress (CUP) dominated thegovernment in one way or another, except for a brief period.Eager to infuse the empire with a new, progressive spirit,the CUP embraced the ideals of the French Revolution:liberty, equality, and fraternity. Despite success inenacting certain legal and administrative reforms, however,the CUP?s foreign policies and domestic nationality policiessoon drove the empire into an abyss. Lacking leaders experienced in the art of government, theYoung Turks continued to conduct themselves as a secretrevolutionary organization in the years following therevolution. They became increasingly intolerant of criticismand dissent and resorted to tactics of intimidation andterror. When rebellions broke out in various parts of theempire, the government responded with repression by militaryforce. Their greatest blunders related to nationalityconflicts, which culminated in the Balkan Wars in 1912 and1913, conflicts that cost the Ottomans their remainingterritory in the Balkans. The First Balkan War (1912) wasespecially devastating to the empire. The substantialterritorial and human losses from the war led to a nationalcrisis during which the radical wing of the Young Turk partymaneuvered itself into a position of party dominance in thespring of 1913. Thereafter, authoritarian elements of theYoung Turk party controlled the central and provincialgovernments of the empire. A new policy of nationalism wasadopted, which emphasized Turkism (the culture andtraditions of the Turks) as a substitute for multiethnicOttomanism. On the one hand it sought to replace Islam asthe empire?s unifying force, but on the other it used Islamas an instrument against non-Muslim elements. Christianminorities especially were viewed as an obstacle toTurkification. As the Ottoman Empire crumbled under the pressures ofspreading nationalism among its subject nationalities and asa young government took power, several factors favoredtargeting the Armenian community for destruction. The firstfactor was renewed pressure from the Great Powers in 1912and 1913 for Armenian reforms to be carried out under directEuropean control. The Ottoman government resented thisinterference and blamed the Russians in particular for theinitiative, but the Ottoman government found it moreconvenient to direct its anger at the vulnerable,essentially powerless Armenians. A second factor was therelatively dense concentration in the eastern provinces ofArmenians who were clamoring for reforms. The Armenians werethe last major non-Muslim nationality under Ottoman rulestill seeking the types of reforms that the CUP governmentunderstood to mean autonomy and eventual independence. TheOttoman government subsequently declared the Armenians adanger to the empire?s security and feared they might aidthe Russians, with whom the empire was at war. A thirdfactor was the 1909 massacre in the town of Adana and itsenvirons, which had claimed some 23,000 Armenian victims.Because that massacre had been executed swiftly and withoutintervention from the Great Powers, whose warships stoodidly by, it encouraged the Young Turks to contemplate a moreradical and sweeping scheme.V WORLD WAR I AND THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE Shortly before World War I began in 1914, the Ottoman Empiresigned a secret treaty with Germany. Enver Pasha, a CUPleader who directed Ottoman military efforts, had faith inGermany?s military prowess and ability to win a war againstthe other Great Powers. In addition, Germany and theOttomans shared a long-standing hostility toward Russia.Three months after the outbreak of World War I the empireentered the conflict on the side of the German andAustro-Hungarian empires. Their crushing military defeatprecipitated the Ottoman Empire?s ultimate demise in 1922.But the war also provided the pretext for a campaign ofextermination against the empire?s Armenian population,which was denounced as a traitorous group.The Armenian Genocide took place under cover of World War Iand had four major stages. In the first stage, allable-bodied Armenian men aged 20 to 45 were conscripted intothe Ottoman army. They served as soldiers at first, but inearly 1915 they were disarmed and reduced to laborerstoiling under brutal conditions, even working as packanimals. Many were bound and shot. In the second stage,Armenian politicians, community leaders, educators,intellectuals, and leading priests were arrested in April1915 and soon deported and executed. In the third stage,beginning in May and June of 1915, the remaining Armenianpopulation was deported, supposedly for relocation in thedeserts of Mesopotamia, then part of the Ottoman Empire.Large numbers of the deportees in the eastern and centralprovinces of Trabzon, Sivas, Harput, Erzurum, Van, andBitlis were killed at the outset in mass executions. Othersdied on the forced marches due to exposure, starvation,dehydration, or mistreatment. But contrary to expectations,about 200,000 to 300,000 Armenians?mainly from Turkey?swestern, northwestern, and southwestern provinces?survivedthe long trek. These wretched survivors, reduced bystarvation to skin and bones, faced another series ofmassacres in the areas of Dayr az Zawr and Ra?s al ?Ayn inSyria. Three primary methods were used in the massacres:blunt instruments; mass drownings in the Black Sea andtributaries of the Euphrates River; and incineration instables, haylofts, and specially dug large pits in theprovinces of Bitlis, Harput, and Aleppo.A group of party functionaries, mostly former militaryofficers, were given sweeping authority to organize andsupervise the killing of Armenians, including veto powerover provincial governors who might object. Local partyleaders and hardened criminals assisted party functionariesin this task. The criminals, released from the empire?sseveral prisons for massacre duty, functioned as anindispensable instrument in carrying out the Armenian Genocide.The main rationale of the perpetrators was that theArmenians were internal enemies of the Ottoman Empire, hadengaged in acts of sabotage and espionage, had rebelled inVan province, and were fighting against the Turks asvolunteers in Russia?s Caucasus army. In April 1915 theArmenians had risen up in Van province in a desperatelast-ditch attempt to resist deportation and certaindestruction, as they also had resisted in Mussa Dagh (nowMusada�i), Shabin Karahisar (now Kara Hissar Sahib), andUrfa. Successive military setbacks prevented the Young Turksfrom completing the deportations and massacres in the restof the country, mainly ?stanbul, Smyrna (now ?zmir), and Aleppo.Surviving official Ottoman documents as well as documentsfrom the archives of the empire?s wartime allies?Germany andAustria-Hungary?indicate that the extermination of theOttoman Armenians was premeditated and centrally organizedby the Young Turk regime. As many as 1.2 million OttomanArmenians perished, out of a prewar Armenian populationestimated at 1.8 million. A postwar Ottoman interiorminister revealed in 1919 that 800,000 of the Armenianvictims were killed outright. Of the survivors, some 250,000managed to escape to the Caucasus, primarily to what is nowArmenia but also to Georgia, and about 100,000 women andchildren were forcibly converted to Islam. The remainingsurvivors dispersed in every direction. Many immigrated tothe United States. Today, about 60,000 Armenians live inTurkey, most of them in ?stanbul.Despite the Allies wartime pledges, at the end of World WarI they failed to prosecute and punish the authors of theArmenian Genocide. A Turkish military court held a series ofcourts-martial from 1919 to 1921 that sought to hold the CUPresponsible for the massacres. Although the court convicteda number of officials, including cabinet ministers, many ofthose involved escaped punishment or fled the country. Thesentences of the court, mostly rendered in absentia, borelittle relationship to the enormity of what Britishhistorian Arnold Toynbee called ?this gigantic crime.? TheUnited States ambassador to the Ottoman Empire HenryMorgenthau described that crime as ?the murder of a nation.?With the triumph of Turkish wartime hero and nationalistinsurgent Mustafa Kemal, later known as Atat�rk, theRepublic of Turkey was created and the courts-martial wereabruptly discontinued.VI CONSEQUENCES As the victim of the first major genocide of the 20thcentury, the Armenian nation not only lost nearly 60 percentof its population but also was shut out of its ancestralterritories. Countless monuments and institutions testifyingto the legacy of a several thousand-year-old civilizationwere obliterated in the process, as were thousands ofchurches and monasteries identified with the ArmenianChurch, one of the world?s oldest Christian institutions.The persistence with which Turkish governments, past andpresent, deny the crime has severely aggravated the traumaof this catastrophe for the Armenians. The fact that theperpetrators escaped an international trial has made iteasier for them to deny the crime. The Union of SovietSocialist Republics (USSR) compounded the problem byimposing a decades-long silence on the subject upon Armeniansurvivors who had gathered in Soviet Armenia in theaftermath of the genocide. The Turkish government?s successin escaping punishment for the Armenian Genocide likelycontributed to German dictator Adolf Hitler?s defiance ininitiating his wartime crimes, including the Holocaust,during World War II (1939-1945). Shortly before the invasionof Poland in 1939, Hitler reportedly exhorted his militarycommanders to be merciless, saying to them, ?Who, after all,speaks today about the annihilation of the Armenians.? Contributed By:Vahakn N. DadrianMicrosoft� Encarta� Reference Library 2003. � 1993-2002Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

CMHSS1502@cs.com

i dont understand why u geting so down with your insults?what for ,in the place to build new future even with turks (dont forget keep the friend close ^-enemy closer) you are fuckin all and everything of themwhy?dont you know that it will begood if the same turcs make more business with armenians ?dont u know that armenia needs even one road more to europe?you like me sitting there in your usa and just screaming f...this f....that be more realist come down from the american moon on the planet earth anyone who wants to discuss with me on this theme my mail www.aikchekoian222@hotmail.comyea one more thing most of you doesnt know even 50 percent of our history so shut the f... up and get some lessons

chekoian

www.aikchekoian222@hotmail.com

karabakh since you deleted the azeri post, delete mine too othervise they'll think i'm insulting themtnx

hi everyone

who's this whako?

NO im not from burbank!

no, i'm not. i don't think you know me.

robo ape do i know u r u kaifaper

forget april 24? too sad that there're ppl who think like you. how can you forget it?

lilo jan u from burbank???? vaii i think i know u i am from Montebello

U peeps out there just want to kill the turkish,i hate them to cause im a 100% armenian but dont u want to make peace in this world!!!!!!!!!!! Think before u talk!! !!!ARMENIAN 4 LIFE!!!

man come on my armenian friends fuck this shit talking already shit man lets just forget this apirl 24 becuz the truks know they did it. then what esle we r trying to prove man just get a life and move on and have it in ur mind and tell others but y u in a armo chat room and tell them they know about it think ppl

altough i am indian i love armenia....i know about turks...bloody muslims...where ever they r there the problems are....india and armenia r friends.....take our help to get rid of turks....our army is so strong....our nuculear technology is more advanced.....let us fuck turks royally...bloody turks will die from our hands one day...i love armenia....u will get ur place back which is starting from caspian sea ends with black sea.......its the time to fight with them......we will screw them.....god bless armenia..plzzzz dont let the devils stress u....time to wake up and get ready for the war....

hi armenians i am indian...india and armenia r friends....take our help to get rid of turks.......our army population is more than 100 million....certainly u will will win.they will be royally fucked by us...

WHAT'S UP DOGS

fuck @yahoo.turkish dogs

jonny although it's pleasant to see someone care for our nation, i must say it was thanks to the will to seek justice and freedom (and of course some other things too) that our nation has survived. turkey is not an exception to justice. it may be strong today but the time will come when it faces justice in front of humanity. and the fight for justice of armenians will bring turkey to justice.

please armenian people whats that anger for ? 4get about the past otherwise u gonna suffer more 600 years of turkish power upon u again.sorry about ur past but u guys allways been so weak like the others.what can i say thats the fact.

zkurt9@yahoo.com

berev hajerin.inchu ek ajskan vat vat namakner miajn grum.de?ov haves uni sanotanalu tog gri indz im hasdzejov ikaarm@hotmail.com.urax klinem .es 19 tarekan em.aprum em holandum ev ahavor karotum em hajastans.shatem uzum kontakti mech mnam hajeri het grek .bye bye

ikaarm@hotmail.com

Hey, tURKISh people can do only one thing : cry out "fuck you!" and that's all. Turkish just pigs and I'am really surprized that you don't eat that animals (but who knows?).You have no history, so you have not future. So shaut up. Don't forget, that "your" country's economy and culture was based on armenians. And don't tell me that you think about your "brothers" in Germany.

lol, armenians and lebanes and syrian = ARABS that attack brave israel by committing cowardly terrorist attacks from lebanon and syria and so called non-existing Palestine LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL, armenian = arab, arab = armenian. hairy=armenian dog lolol

ernes ur stupid JEW,WHEN UR PRESENT LIFE INGERMANY AND U LIVING THERE WITH THE GERMANS SAME LIKE ONE NATION PEOPLE USE UR FUCKEN BRAIN ASS HOLE THE GERMANS THEY ADMITTED WHATEVER THY DONE LET'S SAY UR GENOCIDE OTHER WISE THEY WERE GOING TO KICK UR ASS SOMEHOW..BUT NOW UR PEOPLE MAKING A GENOCIDE IN PALESTINE RIGHT?..SO WHAT DO U SAY ABOUT THAT MR BRAIN,U BETTER SHUT UR MOUTH AND MIND UR OWN BUISINESS,WE CAN NOT FORGET OUR GENOCIDE UNTIL WE GET OUR DEMANDS,NOW U UNDERSTAND U SMELLY SHIT JEWISH MOTHER FUCKER

u fuck*n turks can talk all the shi* u guys want u know if we all go one on one u guys will be dead we will still kill u if its 300 million vs 6 million becuz we got bNDERSTAND U SMELLY SHIT JEWISH MOTHER FUCKER

u fuck*n turks can talk all the shi* u guys want u know if we all go one on one u guys will be dead we will still kill u if its 300 million vs 6 million becuz we got balls and u guys r lil girls and u guys come to r chatroom and start talking shit behide the computer u fags come and say it to my face anyone can talk shit behide a computer and only lil girls do that like u pu$$ys . and to the rest of the armenians love u all stay a armenian fu*k the rest dont try to be them let them be us hye till i die

hyeclassplaya323@yahoo.com

I HAVE ONE THING TO SAY TO MURAT, FROM WHAT YOU HAVE WRIITEN I GUESS YOU DON'T BELIEVE THAT MAYBE ONE OF YOUR ANTCESTORS KILLED MINE, BUT I DON'T UNDERSTAND HOW YOU DON'T BELIEVE THAT THE "ARMENIAN GENOCIDE" ACTUALLY OCCURED FOR ONE THING THERE IS PROOF FROM PICTURES AND PEOPLE WHO ARE EVEN STILL ALIVE. SO ALL YOU PEOPLE WHO DON'T BELIEVE IT HAPPENED OPEN UP A BOOK AND READ ABOUT IT. ONE MORE THING MURAT YOUR NAME IN ARMENIAN MEANS DIRT.

YOU KNOW WHAT? ALL YOU FUCKIN TURKS OUT THERE NEED TO GET A LIFE, BECAUSE YOU HAVE NOTHING BETTER TO DO THEN TO JUST SIT THERE AND TELL ARMENIAN PEOPLE THAT THERE WILL BE ANOTHER "AREMENIAN GENOCIDE". PLEASE PEOPLE HAVEN'T YOU EVER HEARD OF WILLIAM SAROYAN, HE SAID YOU CAN KILL AND SLAUGHTER ALL YOU WANT, BE SEE IF TWO ARMENIANS MEET AGAIN SEE IF WE WON'T CREATE MORE ARMENIANS. GOT THAT FUCKIN TURKS!!!!!!!!!!! I LOVE ALL ARMENIANS OUT THERE. SHOUT OUT TO TATEV A.K.A.TUTUZ AND ANI PEACE

hey!!i have 1 question for armenian people ....you hate turk but in turkey he have armenian people too so you hate the armenian who live in turkey???sorry because i dont speak english wery well and SUCKER ARMENIAN EVERY DAY YOU HAVE 2 FACE AND TURKEY IS NUBER 1 FOR EVER AZER -OZBEK- KAZAH-TURKEMNISTAN-CYPRES- AND EVERY TURK PEOPLE HAHAHHHAHAH ARMENIAN IS THE BOULSHIT HAHAHAHAAHAH VOUS ALLER DISPARRAITRE BIENTOT -----BIZ VATAN ICIN YASIYORUZ PIC ERMENILER----

scorpio-12-nov-1986

Who introduce you to the music.

if you where here how come i didn't see you? why were you silent?

WERE CAN I GO ONLINE TO FIND PICS OF ARMENCHIK ;)

IV BEEN CHECKIN OUT THIS SITE FOR A WHILE NOW AND I WANT TO KNOW WHY THE HELL TURKISH PPL ARE DOING AT AN ARMENIAN SHITE THAT MESSED UP

N-E Armenian girls out there?? I hope so, all I ever see is Turks and robo, that idiot-boy.....I think the Armenian race has some of the best looking females on the face of the planet...N-E cuties need a daddy???? lol Im out.....

To any Armenian Girl 18+ that wants

to talk with Me~@*S*~@ hit the board lets hook

I've been checking out this site for awhile now, just reading the boards and sh1t, and I think opinions ARE like a44holes,...some are just bigger and stinker than others, thats why Robo-twat is the most retarded sounding lamer to ever touch a keyboard...thanks for your time..DEEZ

you

know

I hate USA... Many people around the world was die because of USA... I'm not mus-sa-lim people... I'm east asia people... USA kill us...

todos los turcos y azeros son unos hijos de gran puta. TURKISH=bitch,turkish suck my dick VIVA ARMENIA

have you heard of the armenian genocide and thr turkish denial? that's teh content of the book in case you didn't read it.

i am turks i read some of the comments that people made about turks are wrong you shouldnot judge people... you don't judge the book by it cover so you shouldn't judge the people by their seems

I personaly want to know what some of you people are smoking, i want some of that. Just a little advice to some critics out there, being armenian does not make you the sh*t ok, u might be smarter then others in many ways but ur still human, so get the facts right before putting or judging the word "ARMENIAN" in bad or good form. Whoa

HI IAM A MAIL 50 YR IAM AMERICAN IN NEWYORK CITY AREA IAM GYPSY ROMA IAM FOR LADY ROBERT

rlouis552@AOL,COM

Ahh you little sh*t knocker turks ill kill all of you and those armenians who think turks are nice can go and f*ck themselves up their stupid asses. see i can Armenia is the best cause i help out with anything that can help armenia. i have fought to hard and long for armenia just so you can say that armenians cant do anything?? i dont think so you little f*cks im gonna knock the sh*t out of you if you ever come down to Soorp Khatch Armenian Aposlic CHurch down in DC. ANd we are the first christain nation we dont come from arab dogs we make our own pride and our people have been here way longer than the gypsi turks. turks arnt even a people there jsust a bunch of Muslim sh*t worshippers. Ill kick all there asses so bad that not even your cow fuckin muhamed can heal the wounds i give you!!!

Armoguy87@msn.com

Dear friends...stop tarnishing our good picture worldwide by these low-level insults..let us work together and seriously..to find ways and finance the lobbying actions in order for us to repeat what hapenned in france, in the united states someday...and for the turk visitors of this site...if u consider urselves as civilized people...try to get informed about the armenian genocide..open your eyes..WE ARE DEMANING WHAT IS OURS.....GO ON...VISIT HISTORICAL AREMENIA THAT YOU OCCUPY ,SEE WETHER THAT LAND FULL OF CHURCHES AND ARMENIAN MONUMENTS IS AN ARMEMIAN LAND OR NOT, READ THE HISTORY BOOKS PUBLISHED WORLDWIDE....SEE WHAT YOUR GRANDFATHERS DID....IF U DON'T REPENT THE DOOMS DAY IS NEAR!

perhapshn@hotmaill.com

i have armenian boyfriend but i am not armenian we are together for 2 years and you know all of armenians hoe is it with the family if someone is not armenians please tell me what to do because of his family and because i am not armenian we cant be together=(( how shoud i deal with this?

oh le gars pense 1 minute au peuple armenien qui essaye de survivre parmis ces conard de turc azzeri kurdes tous ces con ca faits des siecles qui nous casse les coooouilles de toute le facon ca changera jamais un turc cest comme un chien un jour ou autre ce retournera et te mordera voila quand au azzeris de merde ces crevve la fin restand de capote des vieux turc il vont tous ce faire un peux en.....ler tout ces putain de creve la faim de musulman en general il faut tous les sodomiser ce ci etan dis vive la tasnagutyun et vive l'armenie libre

zazoni@aol.com

hmmm...this is to those armenians who claim some form of pride in being armenian...You boast about "Armenia this" and "Armenia that"...Yet you have no SELF pride...why sit there and start cursing the turks? Im sure we're all aware of our history, but sitting here and solking about it isn't really going to make a damn difference! How many Turks have come to this site, sat here, and laughed at some of the most pathetic insults thrown at them? (If your wondering...yes..i am Armenian...but i don't loath Turks) Were Armenians not the first race to accept christianity as a whole? i believe they were...And in doing that, i also believe that what goes around comes around twice as hard. We know what happened, and they may be arrogant to it...but let it be dealt with by God, because verbal abuse isn't going to get you anywhere!

cooklamo27@hotmail.com

HI I have had three miscareges and it hard for me to get pregnat can anyone help me?

Magsud Mammadov,"Let's talk everything true..." NOT ONLY YOU, but many people, I noticed, especially your kind, need to learn how to speak/write in English, as well as develop coherence before coming to a public Discussion Board and typing not only things that make no sense because of their content; but also because of your horrible use of English diction in writing a simple composition much like these forum posts. Furthermore, I noticed that in one of your posts you say Azerbaijan is the best country in the world, however you have signed the post indicating that your are in CA,USA....Now, where's the logic in that? How can anyone take anything serious from someone who A)Can't establish credibility to make a point because of poor grammer, but also seems to enjoy great amounts of porn, as obvious by the great website you have redirected your e-mail address hyperlink to... I'm not gonna push further with other flaws of your argument,as far as the cultural and historical aspects that you claim don't exsit in the history of the armenians; but I do want to say that you are the only one who needs to at least attempt to make sense when they are writing these posts, you just happened to be the one most easily used for an example...PEOPLE LEARN HOW TO SPELL FOR THE VERY LEAST!!!!!!!!!!!!

DRSEUSSIZM@yahoo.com

Fuck you Turkish.I wanna fuck you from ass untill you death.

Hayk

gersaretsvats_heghuk@yahoo.com

i think you'll find better luck in turkish forums

I'm a gay male who would love to be raped by a fine ass Armenian guys..dayum!!!!

There are 29 million azeris in Iran btw. there are also 600,000 armenians. 20 million azeris in south azerbaijan hate iran with passion. 9 million in tehran are part of assimilated trash but you know what? lol they are starting to wake up. 30 armenians in tehran chanted outside the azerbaijan embassy "death to azerbaijan, death to turkey, karabagh is ours" then 200 azeris in tehran beat the shit out of the armenian dogs and they all went to the hospital. You have no fucking clue to what the azeris in iran are starting to do. 1 million 200 thousand went into the garadagh moutnains and chanted for unification of north & south azerbaijan. chanted death threats to iran and armenia. Even tehran will be part of azerbaijan with the tehran turks waking up recently. we murder armenian minorities in tabriz very often. your armenian dog brothers are still subjected to nothing else but dog lifestyles

Brothers, i am from South Azerbaijan. tabriz, occupied by Iran. Whenever we get the chance we will fuck up these dogs called Iranians and take care of Armenia. axis of evil = Iran. their empire is dead very soon! The caspian sea is the sea of turks. YASHASIN TURK MILLIET! TURKIYE, KAZAKHSTAN, AZERBAYCAN, KIRGHYSTAN, TURKMENISTAN, KIBRIS, OZBEKISTAN

Orthodog! Orthodog! come kiss my feet! beg me to let you live before I slice your dick looool byeeeee!

Armenian dogs are from the indo-european race? loooooool I guess that means you are as aryan and hindu raced as persians are. damn, you all originated form arab dogs race, figures why you are terrorists loooooooool. you always lost wars thats why there is no more than 6 million armenians in the world hahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa pathetic weak dogs. bow down to me, slave.

ALL ARMENIANS ARE OUR DOGS. YOU ARE LUCKY YOU STILL EXIST. WE TURKS ARE 300 MILLION + WHILE YOU DOGS ARE 6 MILLION. GREEK DOGS ARE 15 MILLION. GOD BLESS THE TURKS. YASHASIN TURK AZERBAYCAN

It is time for us to think seriously about ways to develop both Armenia and Artsakh...!..Friends in the US....lobbying is our solution!..proud to be Armenian!

perhapshn@hotmail.com

Interesting board, few rude people but other than that I am happy to be a member of such a great place!:) God bless all of us armenians, turks and canadians alike.

Rachel_Roemer@htomailcom

GOD BLESS ARMENIA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

turks@re_FAGITS.com

live

sevan_live@hotmail.com

Armenian for life.

myesayan@earthlink.net

TO ATILLIA. U r not going to say "SORRY"?Ok,we don't need it.U r not going to pay any money?Ok put this money in your dirty ass! We don't need anything from u ATILLIA, just give ur head to every armenian male.........BITCH!TURKISH SLUT!

levon40@hotmail.com

just be in peace people

1. we are not going to say "sorry" because we are not. 2. we are not going to give you any money because we dont have it. 3. we are not going to give you any land but rather you will have to come here and fight for it as we did it once. 4. we will not give you a chance to take revenge. 5. we will never offer you any kind of compensation. 6. we will continue to make use of any chance available to kill one more armenian. ---> i believe above is what you need and deserve and want to hear. you are pushing us to this point.

1. yes we killed a lot of armenians. 2. we enjoyed it. it was real fun. 3. i hope we will do it again soon.

it is impossible, we cant have killed some 2 million armenians because 1. from our childhood our mothers teach us to finish the soup in our plate so if this "genocide" had happened there would not be any armenians around now :-) 2. armenians lacks basic humanly fertility abilities and cant reproduce to that amount of population. 3. it is useless to spend time and money and energy on armenians. they are not worth it. 4. armenians were very skilled, obedient, useful and good slaves; so why kill them? actually they had been among our best cock lickers for centuries. we have been using them for various purposes, so there is no sense in exterminating them.

wealth@yahoo.com

this is for all those ugly turks and the rest of them too eat my armo shit

all you fukin turks shut the fuck up we all hate you. you are worthless to this world all armos kick ass armo pride

veedub1672

all you fukin turks shut the fuck up we all hate you. you are worthless to this world all armos kick ass armo pride

veedub1672

FUCK TURKEY

Een meisje vraagd tegen jongen hoeveel keer heb je het gedaan? jongen antwoord hoeveel haar zit in je hoofd? meisje zegd weet ik niet. jongen zegd ik weet het ook niet hoeveel keer. ha ha haaaaaaaaa

Arman

ArmanSarkisjan18@msn.com

FuCK TurKs iTz aLL AbOuT ThE ArMeNiAnZzZ

XxMzZKiSo818xX@aol.com

hi to everyone! I'm an turk and proud of it!I read all the slang aganist turks! why armenians not consider pkk an terrorist group that killed over 30.000 innocent citizen of turkey included kurds and turks!is it an modernj genocide?why armenian politicians and military authority helped them gave them weapons? if turks died your ancistors(so-called armenian genocide) it is impossible for you to live in modern armenia with 5 million population!armenians were not a majority in anatolia.they lived under ottoman empires power over 400 years in peace then a magician came and suddenly turks killed 1 million armenian!please be objective!I love all azeri s and support them if you mail me I gonna write to u

kuleli154@hotmail.com

ALL TURKS AND AZERIS ARE MOTHER FUCKERS. FUCK THEM ALL.BURN IN HELL MOTHER FUCKERS.

YOU DUMB SONS OF BITCHES! U FUCKIN TURKS JUST DONT GET IT DO U ??? YOU'RE FUCKING NOTHING COMPAIR TO THE ARMENIAN RACE YOU FUCKIN RATS. YOU WOULD RAT YOUR BROTHER OUT FOR A FUCKIN DOLLAR U PESTS. DONT LET ME CATCH ANY OF U TALKING SHIT ON THE STREETS, CAUSE PAYBACK IS A MUTHUFUCKA!!! ITS ALL ABOUT THE BIG BAD ARMENIANS IN SO.CALI 213 MAFIA!!

FUCK U STUPID TURKS & AZER!!!!!!!!!!!!

levon40@hotmail.com

fuck all the turks. they killed over 2 million armenians and they deny it. anyone who sticks up for them they can suck my tits. armenians will live on forever no matter wat.

Yo wassup armenians? Fu*k all turkish people muthafu*kers!!!!!!!!!!!!!! God Bless All The Armenians..... I`m tha thug of the A.P.B (Armenian Power Brotherhood) So don`t mess with us

Hayastan14@hotmail.com

WE AZERBADJANCI R STUPID ASSHOLES AND FAGITS.WE R LOSERS!!!!!

muslim@mailru.com

Slushai ti Alik,Kto takie azerbadjanci???Rinochnie torgovci.A ARMIANE EST VEZDE VO VSEH STRANAH MIRA.A tupie azeri tolko v stranah SNG.A CHTO BUDET S VAMI ETO MI ESHE POSMOTRIM.NEKOGDA U AZEROV NE HVATIT SMELOSTI ZAHVATIT KARABAKH.VI TRUSI VONIUCHIE!!!VI MOJETE TOLKO DETEI I JENSHIN UBIVAT!!!A NA BOLSHEE POROHA V JOPE NE HVATET!!! POZORNIE CHUSHKI!!!A ARMIANE VELIKAIA NACIIA!!!MI PERVAIA HRISTIANSKAIA NACIIA!!!GOSPOD ISBRAL NAS!!!A KTO VI TAKIE????JALKAIA PORODA TURKOV!!!!!HAHAHA.

levon40@hotmail.com

levon, Ne tolko Karabax Vse zemlya seqodnshoqo armeni budet nashem.Istoriya pokajet vi ne chto. Prosto vi nosite virus tauna kotorie ne lechitsa, poetomu vas nado zajiqat..........Po druqomu ne vozmojno

allahyar67@yahoo.com

Liudi kto nibud mojet mne skazat pochemu azeri,kotorih mi vsegda nazivali zveriami za ih jestokost,nazivaiut nas miroliubivii narod terroristami????U nih uje krisha okonchatelno poehala.Dibili.Chushki voniuchie.

levon40@hotmail.com

Shame on you stupid azer!!!Tons of mistakes!!!I knew that,Yor azers are very dumn people.Fuck u azerbadjan.

levon40@hotmail.com

Heyyyyyyyyyy Levon, you'll see soon we shal fuck all armenians............ And then you will be beach of Azerbaijanians

Azerbaijan

xanish777@hotmail.com

Es hpartem vor es hayem!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NE VIDAT' VAM AZERI NASH KARABAH,NEKOGDA NE ODOLET' VAM NASH *ARCAH*!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

levon40@hotmail.com

GOD BLESS ARMENIA!!!!!!!!!Sirumem cez HAYASTAN!!!!

levon40@hotmail.com

Vse AZERI rinochnie prodavci!!!!Xaxaxa Tupie martishki.Obeziani ne obrazovanie......

levon40@hotmail.com

Stupid turkish and azerbadjan people are gonna SUCK ARMENIAN D_I_C_K_S!!! ARMENIAN PEOPLE ARE THE BEST!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

levon40@hotmail.com

I'm proud armenian!!!I love my country as much as my live. GOD BLESS ARMENIA!!!!!!!!!!

levon40@hotmail.com

Hi Armenians: All the Armen�an people th�nk that Karabakh �s Armen�an area but who th�nk�ng th�s th�ng � th�ng th�s people �s stup�d becouse Karabakh was and �t will �n Azerbaijan.you are th�nk�ng l�ke th�s becouse u are fuck�ng stup�d poeople. But aremn�an people l�ke war becouse Arman�a �s teror�s republ�c,but azerbaijans they dont want to do war becouse they want peace. KARABAKH BIL � BUDET NASHI ( AZERBA�JAN )

xayalcaferov@hotmail.com

Hi all damned armenians... Hey armenian liers!!!! Do you know that all armenians are the worst peoples in the world!!!!!!! All word knows that armenians are terrorist..All armenians were porter for Azerbaijanians...And don't forget that.. Soon you will be again porter for us..We will beg to armenians............ Allah will help us... Esli kto to xo4est pust pishet na moy e-mail ili na moy guestbook... www.allegator85.narod.ru ... See other sites : www.president.az, www.azeroo.com, www.azeronline.com. www.bakililar.az ........

Azerbaijan

xanish777@hotmail.com

hi there im a armenian girl from lebanon so im so happy to be armenian and im prude too so forget this turkish pouple coz god know everything about us and he know all the truthes so thats all for now bye for all armenians and chiristian pouple

alin133@hotmail.com

i love armenia very much and all the armenian people

vahan-007

That's true a lot of armenians are in the jewelry business and the president of the (gemological institute of america) GIA is armenian I believe

Armenians shouldn't hurt armenians or try to look bad.. We are different than others . we have our own backgrounds. and the only time violence should be used is in self defence or in protecting women.

i mean turks attacked innocent women and children

what's the stupid comments for? i refer to the one guy uner different names pele, alex. smashed by the turks? after the genocide armenia defeated turkish army in 3 battles. all they did was attack innocent women and children. if that makes you proud of your turkish friends, then you can go f#@k yourself

818 reprezetativ i love all u armenian keep up our old home and young friend god bless all u armenians.AGAN AND AGAIN FUCK ALL TURKISH,ALL U PUNKS SUCK MY DICK!

srapkarapetyan@msn.com

I am rather impressed with this site. I never even knew of Armenia (I am 18 years of age...I know this is pathetic) until a crowd of Armenians came here for the diamond mines. I have had the privalge of meeting them, and I find Armenians to be most friendly and interesting.

you're right (thats just an expression), just give us some coastline back (you know, a large part of the ocean, which is ours anyway) and thats all we really need.. to hell with the rest of the world!

I agree...this site is lame

I have sooo many Turkish friends and they are all really cool. They dont hate anyone. It seems to me that this site is just full of comments sent from idiots who cant get over the fact that they got crushed by the turks. GET OVER IT......No One cares...and this site isn't gonna change anything!

I'm not a turk, but to the person who insulted them...I have this to say...HAHAHAHA...you Armenian F*ckers...You got Smashed by the turks you smelly gays...hahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaa

I love Armenian girls. Armenian girls are the finnest things around. Black girls ain't got nothin on Armenian onion booties. Keep those booties nice and tight. Love ya.

I got one thing to say. Jesus being the Son of God was sacrificed by Jews, right?? Right!! God watched his gift to these people be tormented, and killed, yet he still forgave them, and in fact he gave them more life ever filling. Right? Right!! What I want to say with that is simply this. God could have struck down on everyone and distorted them for humiliating his sun, whom he loved very dearly, but instead he forgave them. I know that it�s hard but if God can forgive a nation for killing His son, we can forgive a nation for killing our past. It�s funny how we as Armenian are so proud to be the fist Christian nation, but yet after every word follows a curse word. It is not just by words, or a cross on our necks that we are recognized as Christians, but by our actions. We just need to take a step back and see that we are letting these people get to us. As some people have already mentioned in there own ways, God sees everything, and a day will come when every knee shall bow and every tong confess that Jesus is Lord, even you Muslims, and any other religion that doesn�t believe in the Holy Trinity- The Father, The Son and the Holy Spirit

drplay_01@yahoo.com

Hello, we are armenians all over the world. Our country is going out.

varuyi@bluemail.ch

� �� - �� - �� , �� , �� , �� - ��, �� , �� , �� , � ��, �� . �� ,��

oscar@azdata.net

AFL!!!, AGAIN U HATERS U R BURNING OIL!!

Too much politics on this site

WOSSIBAER

wossibaer@wossibaer.de

sup armos how yall doin im so bored foo

wu sup !!! any laides want to talk about sex post me up!!! am 17 year old guy liven in la!!!

holly32317@yahoo.com

wu sup !!! any laides want to talk about s@x post me up!!! am 17 year old guy liven in la!!!

holly32317@yahoo.com

Kon't have any naw

SAMa.12

Hi, I'm a 18 year old babe loking for a sexy man to hae sex with and get a little crazy.

duk iskapes urish voch mi anelik chunek dzer kyankum.u manavand mi dartsrek patmutyun@ patand dzer kaghakakan hayatskneri.gnahatum em ayn past@ vor hetakrkrvum ek azgayin hartserov.bayts dzer unetsats patmakan tvyalner@ aynkan en propagandayin hnazand vor indz hamar(yes patmaban em)ughaki animast jamanakatsaxs en.inchi chek portsum dzer tshnamineri het zrutsek arants ays bolor "eshutyunneri"? gitem vor djvare.portsek......

babilon666@hotmail.com

BARIN BOLOR HAYERIN... SIRUM EM ARVEST,SIRUM EM MARDKANC ......... GREK.......

hovov@msn.com

Did you say PEACE, Lianna ...? Is this supposed to be a Christian attitude?

javid from baku u need to shut the fuck up, u mother fucking turk asshole, go to hell, u son of a bitch, fuck u and your whole generation, fuck all of you who hate ARMENIANS cuz u all don;t know shit about us, we are blessed from God, and turks u may be happy with the lands u have which they belong to us, but always remember, that u spilled the blood of innocent ppl, u killed our nation, but u will never kill our faith, now go burn in hell cuz that's what will happen, lands may satisfy u but i hope that hell will make u pay for the satisfaction, forget u all turks, all u do is kill ppl with cruelty, that all u do, spill the blood of innocent ppl like ARMENIANS, forget u all, God Bless All The Armenians, i love you all ARMENIANS!!! GOD BLESS U ALL ARMENIANS.PEACE.

kyanklianna@aol.com

both of them care about historical events. turks are scared of their past, armenans want reventge for what has been done to us in past by turks

are you trying to scare us? it will not work

are you trying to scare us?

Drop the hate,will ya? Leave the turks and armenians in armenia alone Robo,they are just poor people with economic problems.They don't care about historical events. note:turkish army can crush any army,i was with them at NATO.Maybe you guys fear it?

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VOSHUM ALL THE HATERS U GUYS R BURNING OIL!!

Im a 19 year old female looking for a male partner. i-m me with the (sn) Cateye99

Cateye99@cs.com

crazy Armenians

May the Lord Jesus Christ bless al of those in the world who still harbor hatred against one another. Let us all pray for peace and mutual understanding among peoples and for their eternal salvation.

Fuck you armenians !!!!!!!!!!!!!! All you mother fuckers Karabakh nash !!!!!!! Ya vashu mamu armanskuyu ara!!!!!! Esli est delo pishi esli jopa est javika@box.az

javika@box.az

armani ya vash rot !!!!!!!!!!! Karabakh nash Ya garabag ya olum

armaniya vash rot ebal

turk go to Hellll armenian forever ... Hi wie geht es euch German ich hoffe gut ich hasse wennn andere leute reden scheiss �ber Armenian diese staddt ist die Beste staddt alle t�rken sooolllen in die H�llle gehen lang leb armenian ciao.

tannnni@yahoo.de

KHCHOJAN @YAHOO

quiero saber de que se trata la discusi�n que vienen llebando. gracias

roger mendoza

mendozaroger@starmedia.com

no se de que estan hablaNDO

roger mendoza

mendozaroger@starmedia.com

barew bolor law hajerin lehastanic.

arman@onet.pl

barew bolor law hajerin Lehastanic.

armank@onet.pl

Hayastany amana lav teghn a ba.

hayastany amena lav teghn a

HAJER JAN EKEK www.august4u.ru/?urartu !!! LAV HAJKAKAN CHATA.

Barew!uzum em xosel hai het. Ete ka incwor kandytat, spasum em!

pk84@o2.pl

Armenia Rules!

bari luis!!!!ays ankam xosks kuzem ughel hatkapes rubo anunov im zrutsaktsin...shnorhavorelov ir brnats dirk@.

babilon666@hotmail.com

hello! i'm new at tis... anyway.. cool web page... but i need help!

to all azeris turks. what's your problem? you can't proove anything to us or to anyone by coming to this chat and puting hatefull messages. you're just gonna create more hatred towards ourselves. i guess it's natural for brainwashed people to feel angry towards someone. by the way i don't mean to insult you by calling you brainwashed. all i'm asking you to do is go read some books published by non azeri or turk historians or scholars. is that so hard? why can't you for once read anything published by other people except azeri or turk. why are you trying to look only on one side? are you afraid of the truth? i'm not posting this message to argue with you. just read my message throughly and try to find answers to my questions. only after you've answered my questions and read some books and done some research i'm willing to have conversation with you and urging every armenian to do so. but if you're gonna just ignore this message and continue senceless talk i urge every armenian not to respond to your messages.

and one may ask why is there so much hate. .......... go to hell motherf#@er

BAREV BOLORID HAYER JAN LAV EXEG IRAR HET MIRU MIR ARMYANAM DENGIII JAN JAN JAN JAN

MIKHAIL KHATCHATOURIAN

MIKHAIL-8ARMJAN@RAMBLER.RU

miakogmani chi karel i mtacel.

barev bolorin!!hachuikov u zarmankov kartatsi bolorit grvatsner@.adrbejanakan yev turkakan hakapropagandan.ayo.....vorovhetev duk ek arachin hertin zbaghvum et animast fashistakan propagandayov vor@ voch mi tegh chi hastsnelu.toghek hanghist harevan azgher@.zbaghvek dzer azghi nersum yeghogh xntirnerov.dzer anlurj petutyamb,vortegh dzer shat govvats hayer@ zbaghvum en petutyan kortsanmamb,banakum teghi e unenum turkakanits vochinchov chtarbervogh tseghaspanutyun.amen tari makrvum en jri pes petakan demker,yev kartses te vochmek meghavor chi linum.karik chka vor dzez hishatsnem tasnyak depker.azat lratvutyun@ veranum e(yete yerpevitse yeghele mi nshuil),yerkir@ tramadrvatse talani.yev duk...bolort...ayd kaghakakanutyan zohernek.prkek dzez arachin hertin.heto kzbaghvenk mnatsatsov.turkerin,azerinerin yev hryanerin el hangist toghek.patmutyunits el ban chhaskanalov mi xarnvek mich-azgayin hartseri mech.zbaghvek dzezanov vorpeszi dzez harghen.yev yerp kharhen....ayn jamanak el kzbaghvek verakangnelov patmakan chshmartutyunner@.alex.

babilon666@hotmail.com

Everyone please check out the message board about the RECOGNITION OF THE ARMENIAN GENOCIDE. Join us in the fight. Thank u.

bootylisciousl@cs.com

HELLO, IM A 23 YEAR OLD GIRL AND LOOKING TO MAKE FRIENDS. SO ANY OF THE ARMENIANS STEP ON UP! I AGREE WITH ALL YOU GUYS AND GIRLS ABOUT THE TURKS. ANYWAY EMAIL ME! BYE !!

SUNFLOWER851@CS.COM

barev, yes 27 tarekanem, barskahyem mehat lav achjik ka vor im hat mi pokor namak geri.seeya

turboartin@hotmail.com

http://hallogram.com/protplus/

you could give a try to software protection programs. i havn't used any, but it might work........................here're some urls to such sites.........................http://www.hallogram.com/protplus.....................................http://www.globetrotter.com/safewrap/safewrap.shtml................http://www.softdd.com/lock-protect/

It becames to me such an interesting thing. When I release new version of my program, the crackers comunity begin to bustle and its cracked in short period of time. I use a serial protection and I think that it is inadequate. What can I do when I want to solve my problem?

karlos101010

hello there!

jewish lobbyists in US

correction: assuming they would understand our pain because they went through the pain of the genocide like us

do you have other problems than with palestine? all i hear is today this today that.get a life.you don't feel so with germans because they recoginzed what they did. and appologized, they conpiscated you. and still do. now considring the case with turks. they came to our land. kill our people, deny it ever happened, steal our culture, drive us out of our historic lands, blow our churches, try to make us change our religion by force and unuman acts etc etc.when someone says that the actual number of jews killed is less than what you say you sue them for emotional harrasment or whatever, and yet you come here and talk like that about armenians. we expected jew to be the firs ones to recoginze the genocide assuming that they went through the pain of genocide like us and yet till this day israel hasn't officially recognized the fact of the armenian genocide. and moreover some jewish lobbiists (as far as i know) wark agains the recognition of the armenian genocide

Hey Fuckjans!A GOOD ARMENIAN IS A TO DEAD FUCKED ARMENIAN!WE SHOULD FUCK YOUR ALL CHILDRENS AND GRANDMOTHERS!!!!!He He He He.....

Do you have other problems?Always turks, turks, turks.. Turks here turks there..I'm a jew in Germany.The Nazis killed in the "past" over six million of my blood but we still live here with them in peace and friendship.I think not the turks are here the fanatics they have other problems!

Gbastile@aol.com

ths chat room is stupid and everytime i go in saysconnection clesd so fixs the chatroom

hayer jan mernem jez yes jer tsav@ tanem forget the turks we are christians they can never kill all the christians God loves us don't worry turks get over it cuz the people may not know the truth but God knows the truth and he saw the truth, God loves the christians, he hates murders. ARMENIANS BE PROUD WE HAVE GOD WITH US, TURKS GO TO HELL. GOS IS WITH US, ARMENIANS ARE ALL OVER THE WOLRD, AND WE WERE THE FIRST NATION WHO EXCEPTED CHRISTIANITY, GOD LOVES US HAYER JER TSAV@ TANEM, ASTVATS JER HETA. PEACE

liancho@hotmail.com

Hey,i am looking for a girl around 13-16. So if there is anyone like that just email me and maybe we will talk.thanks

lavaper1@hotmail.com or lavaper@onebox.com

Armenian 4 life. all ya turks could go fuck your seleves.

ALL U MOTHER FUCKERS NEED TO SHUT THE FUCK UP CUZ U DON'T KNOW FUCKING SHIT AT ALL ABOUT THE ARMENIANS, ARMENIA IS A VERY HISTORIAN NATION AND ALL U ARABS OR TURKS DON'T KNOW SHIT, U FUCK HEADS CAN'T DO SHIT CUZ WE HAVE GOD WE WERE THE FIST ONES WHO EXCEPTED CHRISTIANITY, GOD IS WITH US, U CA'T DO NO SHIT TO US, BY THE WAY ALL U MOTHER FUCKING MUSLIMS GO FUCK UR SELVES, FUCKING ASSHOLES, FUCKING DICK SUCKERS, FUCK YOU ALL, WHAT FUCK, U GANNA TAKE REVENGE MY ASS GOD WILL TAKE REVENGE FROM U MOTHER FUCKERS, ASSHOLES, DON'T U DARE TO TALK ABOUT MY ARMENIANS, I WILL KILL U MOTHER FUCKERS, U FUCKERS GENOCIDED US AND UR BLAMING US FUCK YOU ALL, GO DIE IN HELL FUCKERS, I HATE ALL THE TURKS GO FUCK YOUR SELVES, ARMENIANS ALWAYS TAKE REVENGE U CAN NEVER TAKE REVENGE FROM ARMENIANS, GO FUCK YOUR MOTHERS, ASHOLES, YOU GUYS ARE BYSEXUALS, YOU ONLY RAPE GUYS CUZ U GUYS R BYSEXUALS, U GUYS DON'T KNOW WHAT'S A WOMEN U ONLY FUCK GUYS, FUCKING ASSHOLES, I HATE TURKS AND WILL NEVER LIKE THEM, THEY MESSED UP OUR BEAUTIFUL COUNTRY, ARMENIA IS A VERY BEAUTIFUL COUNTRY ALL U MOTHER FUCKERS FUCK OFF, FUCK YOU ALL. ASSHOLES. GO FUCK YOUR MOTHERS CUZ THAT'S WHAT U FUCKERS DO.

LIANNA@HOTMAIL.COM

1 million people left with no fathers, mothers etc etc?i bet you tell that to your kids at night. and if you're not then your grandma is telling you that. someone who talkis about humanity is calling to destroy a nation (commit genocide, massacre). you didn't do anything to us? what about sumgait, baku irovabad, baku in 1918? get facts straight.you need another spanking you bloodsuckers.

U all know u r innocent. Azeris have never done anything to u. The genocide was done by turks not us, thats first. secondly it was u who killed the turks first and forced them to kill u. anyways it is nothing to do with us Azeris. The fact is u occupied Karabakh and other 6 districts, u massacred innocnt people on Khojaly, forced 1 million people out of their lands. We will revenge. Your tragedy is in front. Everything is in front. great war will start soon. Then we wil revenge for everything u have doen to us. u will morn when we will kill you people as u killed ours, then u will cry but no one will hear u becuz the people now start to know your face. U killed Azeris under the name of revenge for your genocide which is nothingto do with us Azeris. u cant blame a nation which has a bllod relationship with your enemies. But u can call me turk or anythin the fact is made my people suffer and as an Azeri me and my nation will revenge for everything. Even if there will be peace and we will return our lands by peace it will not be called revenge. We will revenge u as palestinians are doing in Israel by becoming kamikadzes, by making you people suffr as u did our peopleto suffer. one million people live in desperate situations with missing dads, missing mothers siters brothers. Without revenge we wont calm down. THERE WILL BE NO PEACE IF U DONT RETURN THOSE WHO DIED WHICH U CANT. REVENGE IS NOT SIN SO BY SAYING ALLAHU AKBAR WE WILL DESTROY U AND WHEN THERE WILL BE NO ARMENIAN LEFT IN THE CAUCASUS THERE WILL BE PEACE BETWEEN THE CAUCASIAN PEOPLE OF CAUCASUS. WE HAVE NEVER HAD PROBLEMS WITH GEORGIANS WHO R CHRISTIANS TOO THE PROBLEM IS WITH U U BASARD ARMENIANS. WE WILL REVENGE SOON!!!

For the moment... i would like to just add on to the guest book.

larissapapouban@yahoo.com

NONE YET..

Larissa Papouban

larissapapouban@yahoo.com

HEY ALL ARMENIANS, I LOVE YOU ALL DON'T WORRY CUZ WE ARE CHRISTIANS AND GOD IS WITH US ALL THE TIME, FORGET ABOUT THE STUPID TURKS, THEY HAVE NO SHIT TO PROVE ANYTHING AGAINST US, SO I LOVE U ALL ARMENAINS, PEACE OUT, TURKS SHUT UP

liancho@hotmail.com

Hi all! I'm a student of Politechnic National University of Lviv in Ukraine. I'm 20 and loocking for a friend penpal in USA or Canada or other country in Europe.

sergiuspso@ukr.net

hey

Quite the sexual exploitations across the Atlantic eh?

*S*

Not as fast as I thought....

Is this instantaneous?

all the turks are murders, they genocided us the Armenians, and now they're blaming on us, we need to kill all the turks, burn their mother fucking asses, they are all bysexuals, they raped our beautiful man and woman, they are gay they were born gay, they are muslims, but they can kiss my ass because i am an Christian and Christians all the way baby, no one can mess with us the armenains. TURKS GO FUCK YOURSELVES, ASSHOLES, U GUYS HAD NO WOMAN OTO FUCK SO U GUYS CAME AND RAPED OUR BEAUTIFUL COUNTRY, ALL U MOTHER FUCKERS, GO SUCK DICKS, LIKE U SUCKED ALL OUR ARMENIAN BIG DICKS, FUCKERS

none@hotmail.com

Hey, what can I say! Back in 1989 I was in Russian Air Force

they just try to mud the whole armenian nation. but they don't talk about their terror where they trew newborns out of the 6th floor of the hospitals, burned women publickly before making them walk nacked around the city. or pull out eyes of men. stone people publickly. they try to convince themselves that they are innocent.

i didn't read all of them. i just read the first one about ianikian. it's true, but if you rad that man's diary you'll know why he did it. i theink you can find it at http://luyse.com

Hello, everybody!I would like you to check this azeri site out. It iswww.bakililar.az. They are talking about some B.S. thingsabout us, armenians. Can you belive that.

Hey!!! My nme is adena!!!! I gog to toll middle school and I m a tangerine tiger. I relly have to confes tht having sex is the best thing that could happen to a 12 year old. I have fucked so many guys that I lost my count. I don't get pregnat because I don't have my period yet. And it's so funny because the guys that I do it with don't wear condoms. If you are fuckingh and u are wearing a condon, u don't enjoit as much See u ll horny people

How's it going?

post it again

Hey i posted messages on Khojaly and put pictures there. Who the f..k has deleted it a? no here has rights to delete anyone's messages. It shows how scared u are of us how scared to see the truth how scared to fight bravely(by not deleting our messages). By deleting our messages u can't talk about armenian braveness.

HEY ALL YOU ASS HOLES GO FUCK YOUR SELFS ARMENIANS ARE HERE FOR EVER TO STAY.

SWEETNANAR@HOTMAIL.COM

look who's talkin. stand next to a mexican, walk near a mexican house. you gotta wear a oxigen mask to breath. all yo armo haters turk, mexican, azeri go fu$#@k yourself

hey karabakh u dont have rights to delete my messages or stop me from posting mesages!!!

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To all idiot turks and azeries. before you post anything about you history and making any stupid comments about armenian history, you sould read all articles posted from world media and also check the URLs. And never pretend thay you are clever, you just blody animl, that is all.

Hey ROBO I like you because you kicked that foolish azeri off .

arinshahnazarian@yahoo.com

ALL YOU FUCKIN TURK LOVERS SHOULD SHUT THE FUCK UP, IF YALL DONT LIKE ARMENIANS THEN YOU SHOULDN'T BE IN HERE IN THE FIRST PLACE. ALL TURK LOVERS WILL GO TO HELL. YOU MOTHER FUCKER ALL YALL DO IS RAPE MEN, NOT EVEN WOMEN. GAY FUCKERS. OH AND WATCH OUT, IF I SEE ONE OF YOU GUYS AROUND THE NEXT DAY WOULD BE YOUR FUNERAL. GO SUCK DICK MOTHER FUCKERS. YALL DONT HAVE WOMEN TO FUCK SO YALL GO FUCK YOUR MOMS AND WHEN YOUR DONE WITH THEM YOU MOVE YOUR LIST UP TO YO GRANDPARENTS. STUPID FUCKIN DICK SUKERS. HAYERIS BAN CHASEK KGAM VORERT K CHXEM. STUPID BICHES. PEACE AND LOVE TO ALL MY ARMENIANS.

SWEETNANAR@HOTMAIL.COM

azeris don't have history so there is nothing you can compare armenian history with if you'd like to learn more aobut armenian history and who lives in whose land then check out those maps.------------- ------------------http://people.bu.edu/asa/armhistory.html- -------------------------------- http://www.raremaps.com/cgi-bin/map-builder.cgi? Europe+Armenia--------------------------------------------- - http://www.acs.ucalgary.ca/~vandersp/Courses/maps/basicmap. html-------------------------------------------------- http://www.uoregon.edu/~at las/europe/static/map10.html---- --------------------------------------http://www.roman- empire.net/maps/empire/provinces/trajan/armenia.html------- -----------------as you see they are not armenian websites

Hi everybody ! Let's talk everything true. Until today let's take Armenian history, that they always lived in Azeri places. And They did not have any national place to live but Azerbaijan gave to them place. But they don't thing this good think. Probably you guys so young let's open History book and compary Azeri and Armenian history. you will see a lot of different between this countries. You will see How Armenian suck country and f*** country. I hate Armenian. If you would like to learn more what I am thinking about it just write me or it you are not agree with me . My e-mail adress is azmecmagsud@yahoo.com I would wait your e-mail.

Magsud Mammadov

azmecmagsud@yahoo.com

i need someone to take me out to dinner.

hhh

hayk_444@yahoo.com

Barew hajer wonz ek lav erek es zer zawe tanem

david0308@u-boot.com

hey u pussy azeris, stop talking about shit, give us some facts that karabgh is urs. n how old is ur natio? i think armenians r okder than u or ur fucken turk friends

Life is a waterfall, We're one with the river, And after the fall. -System of A Down

lol. i keep forgeting to finish my sentances.............or maybe they are too.

by the way. if turks continue to reject the facts of armenian genocide of 1915 they are blockheads. whoever (to turks) at least gives a consideration to the armenian genocide is not

that leads us to believe that there are several turks out of 60 million that are not blockheads

date of theis article 03/07/2001

ON TURKISH television a few days ago, an extraordinary event took place. A Turkish writer and historian lectured his people on the facts - the reality - of the Armenian Holocaust of 1915. In front of a nationwide audience, Dr Taner Akcam advised penitence. "If you can't bring yourself to describe it as genocide, call it a massacre," he said. "But it was a crime against humanity... Ask forgiveness from the Armenian people and... make a commitment that in Turkey, political dissent and disagreement should no longer be treated as an offence." These were not easy things for a Turkish audience to hear. From their schooldays, Turks are taught that the Armenian community of Ottoman Turkey betrayed the empire by siding with the Russians in the First World War, that Armenian deaths on the great deportations from Turkey were a by- product of civil unrest. The truth - that one and a half million Armenians were deliberately destroyed by the Ottoman Turks in 1915, their menfolk bayoneted, shot and drowned, their womenfolk raped and starved in government- organised deportations to the Syrian desert on the orders of Talat Pasha - is hidden from them. Any Turk who suggests otherwise is a traitor to the Turkish nation which gave him birth and to Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, founder of the Turkish state.

T�RKiyide DE azeriiyide AR S�L�K DOLAR BA�TAK�

giormamish sheitan

armenians are now taking my words and changing them. still looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooooooooooooooooooooooosersssssssssssssssssssssss. esheklerrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. ermenistan kendistan.

senide azereiyide sikerim siktir git anIna kodulum

FUC* U ARMENIANS SUC* OURS HA AHA HA GARABAG OURS

FUCK ARMENIA@MAIL.RU

Anyone here?

schonerose@yahoo.com

HI, people...

SCHONEROSE@YAHOO.COM.BR

some postings take less than a minute

Kakieto vi tut vse onanisti.Huinu porite,sami ne ponimaja chto govorite.Vi ne zatrahalis govorit ob odnom i tomje zeli god.Blia kak ne zaidu siuda bozariat kak telki.Idite luchshe rabotat.Esli bi vse rabotali i zanimalis delom nebilo bi i voini

ZATRAHALI@UJE.com

destvitelno. pochemu ne kusaesh? zubi boliat chto li? ili v ortu armianski x@i?

ROBO SHUT THE F*CK UP! TALK ABOUT YOURSELF! COBAKA LAET DA NE KUSAET- HAHAHAHA!! IS IT ABOUT ARMENIANS??? I THING YES!

FUCKARMENIA@FUCKARMENIA

cobaka laet laet no nechego ne ponemaet

wazaaaaaap azeris. we are taking dumb azeri's on armenianchat. yeah. we are loosers and bastards. i am tales brother. robo u talk tooo much and make a lot of sense.

tale you sound so pathetic. lol

Judy, first of allathe word khanade is not azeri but arabic word which was also used by azeris, albanians and all muslims. i dont think that today's albania has any connection with caucasian albania. that albanians are todays' azeris nom mater what robo says.

lol. what is this a teatre? you know what judy i don't mean to be rude but your post on this chat is "senceless" and is a great propoganda method for you. anyway. even if he was from albania in caucasus i'm sure he wasn't azery because there hasn't been a nation called azery and albanians have nothing to do with current azeris. (this last sentance goes to all azeris)

Hi, I have read a number of your posts, and hope that you may help me. My ancestors in Italy, came from Albania. Recently I learned there was a further question, which Albanians were they? When I tried to ask about names, individuals and sources from "European Albania" looked at me blankly. My oldest know ancestress is M. Anna Khanade (1742) and she is described "del celebre lett. Variboba". I found that Khanade actually means singer in your region, rather than in "European Albania". If anyone recognizes this or has any information, I would appreciate whatever you have to share. I am sure there is an interesting historical story behind this ancestress, although I am not sure if I will be able to track it down. Thank you! Judy

drjuditha@aol.com

This is continuation of previous message...........................What is "East Turkstan", and it's hostorical origin China's official definition of "East Tujue" element --There are indeed a group of national splittists who attempt to separate Xinjiang from China through terrorist means and set up a so-called "east Turkstan", we call them "East Tujue" terrorists. With regard to the reason for the emergence of "East Tujue" elements, what academic circle has confirmed is the influence of Islamism and Pan-Turkism in history. Based on textual research, a scholar pointed out that historically, Tujue (Turk) was a nomadic ethnic group who once set up two Tujue Khan States in areas of Central Asia. East Tujue (Turk) was subjugated by Huihe (direct ancestors of Uygur), and West Tujue was subjugated by the Tang Dynasty. Since then the Tujue people (Turks) lost the historical chance for developing into a modern nationality. The two tribes of West Tujue moved westward to the Asia Minor Peninsula and settled down there, their descendants established the Otman Islam Empire, brilliant for quite a while. After World War I, Kemal founded the Turkey republic on the ruins of the said Empire. Turkstan relevant to this concept is a place name, originally referred generally to the birthplace of Tujue people in Central Asia. In the 19th century, European geographers began to use this name and expanded the scope of its affiliated land-Central Asia became West Turkstan in the part of Russia, where Xinjiang of China became East Turkstan. In the middle part of the 19th century, an Afghan proposed founding a unified Islamic political entity by uniting all Islamic countries, thus beginning the spread of Islamism. Pan-Turk-ism originated from the Tartars who were oppressed by Pan-Slav-ism under the rule of tsarist Russia, it was aimed to establish a unified Turks Empire by uniting all nationalities from Asia Minor to Central Asia under the Turki language system. Manifestation of these two trends of thought in Xinjiang was the "East Turkstan independence movement". Pan-Islamism and Pan Turk-ism began to spread into Xinjiang in the early 19th century, they began to take shape in the early period of the Republic of China. A Turk named Karmal and a Uygur intellectual named Maiswood who was returned from Turkey after finishing his study there were representatives of these two trends of thought. In the early 1830s, Xinjiang was in a chaotic situation, taking advantage of this opportunity, East Turkstan movement established an "East Turkstan Islamic Republic" in Kashen. This regime existed only three months, but it marked the beginning of the East Turkstan movement, which has been carried on to this date........................here is the link......................http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/ 200111/22/eng20011122_85127.shtml

Some history for dummy azeries:........................Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Zhang Qiyue said Thursday that facts have proved the separatist-minded "East Turkistan" terrorists have become a faction in the international terrorist movement. Zhang made the remarks at a regular press conference in response to a journalist's question, asking her to comment on a report by senior U.S. defense officials that "Chinese Uygur people joined the combat in Taliban troops." Zhang pointed out that the "Chinese Uygur people" mentioned by U.S. officials "are actually separatist-minded 'East Turkistan' terrorists." She said that the "East Turkistan" terrorist force has close links with international terrorist forces and "at least several hundred of these separatist-minded terrorists" once received training in Afghanistan. She reiterated that China is willing to make joint effort with the international community to fight against all manners of terrorism, "including the 'East Turkistan' terrorist force.".....................and here is the link for same dummy azeries, go read and see who you are and where you come from idiots.

thanks for the maps.

I liKe smart, self-confident,strong, open-minded and cute male. However 28-35 years old only qualify. I am 28 and all that female should have.

i wanted to say that this site has only one good thing- discussion board, where stupid armenianz and russianz tell us different fairy tales. when i read them i laughand that's good, because i can say there everything what i want to say about armenia. after my messages other armenians don't know how to answer because all that i say is true. i know that u don't like it. but thr truth is not always sweet. especially for armenians. that's why i like your discussion board.

AZERI_asker

sikim_ermenileri

Ancient Maps from University of Texas which proves whose is ARTSAKH (Karabagh) http://www.geocities.com/master8885/Maps/main.html http://window.to/Azerbaijan

Thanks Art that's what i'm thinkin aoubt too

Hi Robo, how you been. Listen, you better take care of your self insteadof spending time to respond to each stooped comments, like from tale or edgar. It's just wast of time and energy. Good luck.

i love system of a down!

LIFE IS TOO SHORT ENJOY IT

Antaram12@homail.com

lIFE IS BEAUTIFUL AND FULL OF ARMENIANS

DON'TWORRY@HOTMAIL.COM

i am proud to be an armenian

silvapanosig@hotmail.com

to webmaster: webmaster can you tell me if edgars and tales ip is the same?

hey tale enough pretending to be someone else. you know we have good relationship (although only on the net) with the webmaster and if i want i can easyly know if you're the same tale or edgar. besides edgar even if you 're not the same tale then what exactly didn't you like about my writings> the true things that i say? i know how to be nice to people. if people have respect towards me so do i towards them. if they don't they get what they asked for. by the way i say bad things to people when they say things towards what i respect (including myself) so i don't feel guilty talking in bad manner with tale because i have a reason for that. but you can f#@ off. if you don't know why i talk in that manner they you should shut your mouth. besides it's not your business how i talk with tale.

As I was reading some of the things Robo had written, I think this guy is a lowlife shithead, and this guy does not know how to be nice even on the internet. Why dont you armenian people try to get along like normal humen beings, and not course each other out. Remember "dont playahate, Partiipate. Be a cool armo and everyone will be happy. peace

To tale: we took bakck our lands from turk invaders, you dumhead. How meny time we need to tell you, that you are crying here like a prostitut. You have some sort of brain problem, go see a doctor. I don't thing you have brain at all, it should be total emptiness in your head.

besides idiot why do you think that because there are many armenians in glendale armenians claim it was part of armenia? you're just talkin like your grandma. (gibbrish)

lol. you idiot aliev your grandma, grandpa and you dad didn't constitute 100% of nachichevan. i have to remind you again to read history books. if you know what that is. you dumb morans haven't picked up a book in your hands except khoran. all you can do is (as one armenian said) hit your empty heads kak kozly against the floor. besides heydar, your grandpa, grandma and you dad weren't even born before stalin came to power. and because you (were born or) live in nachichevan doesn't mean it is yours. you are the gypsy ones. you freakin labrats. you are mixture of 1. tatars, 2. turks, 3. iranians etc. soviets mixed you labrats together and you think you've had history? you've never had and you never will. "If u were settled there it doesnt mean it is yours or was yours" If u were settled there it doesnt mean it is yours or was yours.

Hey u Robo, ohh i didnt undersyand u, do u want to say that we occupied Karabakh and made ourselves enemy? hahahhaaaaa.r u sick or dumn or what man? we occuoied karsbakh or u? aaaaaa hahahaaaaa. U better go to doctor, u became overpriofessional whereu now not just lie but talk something that i dont know what to give a name for it. Secondly, u say Nakhichevan's population was 85% armenian. hahahaaaaaaaaaaaaa. man i am from Nakchichevan and u tell me that 85% of the place where i was born was armenian before stalin came? Man my dad,granddad, greatgrandads are all from Nakhichevan. Heydar Aliyev himself is from Nakhichevan. yes there were some armenians in Nakhichevan which is not surprising as all u armenians are gypsies and everywhere. Glendale is also full of armenians but that doesmt mean that it is armenian land or was. If u were settled there it doesnt mean it is yours or was yours. If u look armenians are everywhere like jews and gypsies but that doesnt mean those lands are yours. u never lived in compact but always seoerated because u never had your own land. I see now armenia tries to claim Nakhchian theirs as they are not datisfied with karabakh and never will. U also demand land form georgia. Now, u dont dare to claim anyland from Azerbaijan, If some one jhad to claim lands then it is us claiming whole armenia, which ALWAYS was our lands and will be soon!!!!

all yo stinkin labrants you stink funny an you don't have n e brains it just oil in your heads instead of brains. and the oil belonges to us. get the f out ancient armenia you freakin idots. you konw what i figured out? it's not oil either. it's mazut

"u say u are innicent when u want to show that u had nothing to do with the occupancy of karabakh"......................tale don't you think you should replace the words azeri with armenian and azerbajan with armenian and the other way around. tell me if there's ever been a country or people called azeri or azerbajan. you're all just a bunch of soviet labrats except maybe 5%. then tell me if you've ever picked up a book in your hands or at least a map. read history and let's see if you'll still deny that stalin gave nackichevan and karabakh to you. which belonged to armenians. tell me if it's not true that at least 85% of the population of nachichevan was not armenian before stalin gave it to you labrats. then tell me if it is not true that there are 5th century armeniann churches in karabakh. we've had this discussion before and your excuse was that armenians made albanians "who have nothing to do with either your history or nation" change their religion and the armenin style churches are albanian. but you've ignored the facts that there those churches have armenian letters carved on them.

hey u tale, u just talk no facts nuthin, can u tell me how old is ur country, n who stared the fight in 1991 for karaba..... n speak with facts, we r old natio, its a fact coz last year we celbrate 1700 chritianity thats a fact whole world knows, n we r 1st christian natio on the planet..... evry1 knows that

All you people, guess why i stoped arguing with u. I now understood that arguing with u or saying the truth to u doesnt help. U armenians always try to defend yourself, despite what the truth is. U lie, u kill and so on but just to defend yourself. Even if u are guilty u never admit it. Few says ago one of my Lezgin friends entered to your chat. And one girl asked her, who do u think is guilty, the attackker the occupier or the one who is attacked or occupied. My friend said obviously the occupier is guilty and she said that it was Azerbaijan who attacked and occupied armenian lands. then my Lezgin friend said that i am bad and so on that we occupied armenioans lads and so on but he didnt relaize that that girl was lying. U armenians always lie in order to show yourselves as innocent, helpless, poor and at then same time brave, ancient and great which is of course a VERY strange thing. how can a country be both poor and innoicent and helpless and also brave and great and so on. U just use these phrases when it works fo r u. u say u are innicent when u want to show that u had nothing to do with the occupancy of karabakh, U say u are brave when u want to say that u didnt all die in the "genocide". U say u are ancient and brave to show that u are an old country and brave people who occupied karabakh. So these are all the reasons ahy i dont continue to discuss anythng with u because it is uselless and waste of time when u coninue lying for your benefit.

no to sam

Good evening every body! Does anybody has a Caucasian Dog?

ericg@pciwiz.com

r u talkin to me robo

you gotta say yes to be able to chat

hey u fucken turkish natio, stop cuming to our web sites. Ok, u tale stop getting hard, i kick ur ass, no1 can say anything bout armos, they r the best, u got pussy natio, no1 is scared ya. ok, stop being smart ass. ok bitch, f***k off from armenian web sites.....ok i dont wanna c u agen ok

I have passsed all my exams!

karleone@hotbox.ru

i like this chat room but icnt go on becouse i pushed no when it asked me to download that thing i pushed no dont ask again and i cant chat can you help me

www.vm911411@aol.com

tale you're askin for it. i'll tell you. when we were having "conversation" you liked repeating same questions and no matter how much we explained them to you you were still asking the same questions like a blockhead. and by the way i do not talk behind peoples backs. if i were you wouldn't be able to read the messages. in case you don't get it. the messages are for everyone to read. so there's no talking behind peoples backs. and if didn't read it it doesn't mean i was talking behind your back

Robo when I WAS NOT theree u were talking from my back. So if you wanna say something to me say it to me now to my face.

I do like System of Down!

anyone here like SYSTEM OF A DOWN????

Hey sexy girls let's chat about sex and personal life shall we. My e-mail is dushandharmasiri@hotmail.com

dushandharmasiri@hotmail.com

look at you you idiot. who's askin for internet fight? me or you. i'm ready for internet (intelectual) and other (punch you face so it will be completly flat) fights. so f#@ck off

Hi guys. Long time we dont talk. I hope u missed me. Robo again "fights" against turks and Aeris because he never saw a rea; fight and wanan be a hero in chat. So anyways would u like to continue our fight in chat, "brave armenian fighters"?

Hey Armenian people.... In Love Alik

alik_awal@hotmail.com

thanks i'm ok. how are you? i think i developed a habbit to fight turks and azeris. lol.

Live Love Laugh, this is how a man should live. There is one more thing, 'People fail because they thinka bout failiour'

hovo12@hotmail.com

To mr Diploat. I think you are shizophrenic and which is uncurable. Maby you Alexander the Greate or Napoleon. Who knows, but one thing is obviouse that turkes are idiots, not all but most, specealy azery turks. Mr. whatever armenian lenguage is one of the oldest language (aria- greeko-armenian family) in the world, which means armenians where before turks. Turkis language came way after armenian. This is shor information for your empty head. Whant to learn more, read prevous messages where URLs are posted for uneducated azeries...................Hi Robo, how's the life. I see you fight all the time with turks.

i love System of a down !!!!!!!!!! Serj, John, Daron and Shavo Check out their website! www.systemofadown.com they are the 4 cutests armenian guys in the world!!!!

hahahahahahaha that was fun reading. looks like the same blockhead tales handwriting. first of all mr diplomat learn to write without so obvious mistakes. then learn to compose your thoughts correctly, then go read history boks dear mr diplomat about Armenia, Armenian history, Armenian culture, Armenian traditions then come here and ask questions aobut Armenia and Armenians. if you change the words Armenia with Azerbaijan in you little uneducated "letter" it would make a lot more sence to us, to others and to you mr diplomat. which obviously doesn't exist in your "letter".

hi everybody.My name is Magsud. I am tukish, I am from Azerbaijan. which is the best country in the world. You know I am a deplomate and I read all of this little e- mail which you sent each others. let's think about it. When Armenia became a country. and where ? Does Armena has own cultry or tradition or had a place to live ? of couse not. Probably you guys so young. the first armenian people lived in Azerbaijan which is country was kindly to armenian people. then Azerbaijan gave a place to Armena to live. You guys never had a place to live. Becouse you are suck. Azerbaijan gave you place to you for live. but now any of your's don't like azerbaijan also turkey. I know I think that fun , in azerbaijan the people say that. If cat cann't get mouse say It was a bad mouse. It mains you see how this 2 country is great and beautuffly if you are not agree with me I would like to listen your opinian. My e-mail address is "azmecmagsud@yahoo.com" I will wait your e-mail

Magsud Mammadov

azmecmagsud@yahoo.com

Viva Armenia...! I would like to find Armenian Friends

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Hello to uneducated azery tale. How is life treats you?

how's your head tale?

Hello my enemies, Armenians. hello Webmaster, hello Robo hello Art!

System of a Down rulz!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! they are the best boy band that ever lived!!!

http://www.armeniantop10.cjb.net or get morpheus

Hi how are you,who can tell me where I can download Armenian MP3.

Artur5@web.de

webmaster this idiot is a real blockhead. you should block him.

well. i think i can help you out, but i can't promise you constant or everyday help, but i'd be happy to help you out when i have the time.

Hello! How are you?

i like to date a female from puerto rico wear i ned to go

Robo, I'd like to make you a moderator on the main board. If you wouldn't mind doing it, that would be great. You can just help out occaisonally to make sure we don't get scum on there. Let me know.

turks don't even have their culture and hisotry. they are mixture of 1. armenians, greeks, asirians, kurds, mongols, seljuks, tatars, persians, arabs, bull crap

Yes, It's real easy to manage his posts...

if you can mass delete several accounts at once then let him "have fun". hi'll understand that his idiotizm is useless

lol. like tale. has nothing to do but to talk crap. and doesn't getr tired of it. but eventually will.

Robo, It's not automated, he goes through the registration process each time. It's the same guy... and has a lot of time in his hands. I'm going to have fun with him now, and just reword his posts. : )

webmaster i'm getting the idea that this is a automated posting program not just a person. i might be wrong but who knows?

robo, We are gathering IP's for banning.

webmaster why don't you block them like you did to tale? or did tale just give up. whichi doubht. with a head like his even acid wouldn't burn. they need to undersnad that their pathetic messages are useless. just block them with a cookie or something. they'll give up finally. they'll get tired of changing isps or names.

IT IS SPOKEN ABOUT RIGHTS OF KARABAKH ARMENIANS IN AZERBAIJAN BUT AZERIS THEMSELVES CALL TO CUT THEIR EARS OFF AND THROW STONES AT THEM Famous Azerbaijani right defender Eldar Zeinalov spoke against Baku media anti-Armenian hysteria. Last updated: December 06, 2001 The decision of Yerevan press club to stop mutual visits of Armenian and Azeri journalists because of the Baku media anti-Armenian hysteria had different reactions in Azerbaijan. Several Baku newspapers do not cover their satisfaction with the fact that their efforts to torpedo Armenian-Azerbaijani dialog, had considerable result. But it should be noted that demarche of Yerevan journalists resulted in anxiety of several members of Azeri intelligentsia. Even state figures were worried. Aliyev's administration international department head Ali Hasanov has stated that the country leadership is not against of the contacts of non-governmental organizations of Armenia and Azerbaijan at all. At the same time he made a rather frank confession: It turns out that Azerbaijani authorities support the contacts of social structures and journalists of the two conflict sides not for the reason that it makes sense but just in order not to upset the OSCE peacemakers that wish Armenians and Azerbaijanis became friends very much. But, fortunately, not all Azerbaijanis think the people's diplomacy is needed only in order not to hurt the feelings of Europeans. For example, famous right defender and journalist Eldar Zeynalov condemned the local media position as, in his evaluation, it became "a blind instrument of the campaign against people's diplomacy organized by "the upper levels". Zeynalov's article in "Echo" newspaper is strongly different in its tone from most articles of this rather popular newspaper in Azerbaijan. First of all, the right defender expresses his sorrows as Baku newspapers, non-ge campaign against people's diplomacy organized by "the upper levels". Zeynalov's article in "Echo" newspaper is strongly different in its tone from most articles of this rather popular newspaper in Azerbaijan. First of all, the right defender expresses his sorrows as Baku newspapers, non-governmental organizations and several local peacemakers just "doubled the confusion" with their showy patriotism. Zeynalov refuses to understand how the same people can call for peace at one moment and support the idea to liberate Karabakh by use of force but "in a way that peaceful people would not suffer" at another. "I wonder, how?", the right defender asks. "Azerbaijani leadership has supported the idea of peaceful settlement of the Karabakh conflict since 1994. It seemed clear that "peaceful way" is negotiations and in order to reconcile, people have to sit at the negotiation table with enemies and not their friends. But people in our country consider this unacceptable and would like to have talks on Karabakh with Martians than Armenians. However endless appeals to the world community hardly help anyone and no international organization will press Armenia unless the negotiations of conflict sides take place", writes Zeynalov. According to him, the promises regarding free life of people in Karabakh that would be a part of Azerbaijan are worth nothing if they are not supported with real guarantees. "It is spoken about autonomy for Armenians in our country but it is called in the press including the official one to "get rid of" Armenians in Karabakh. They speak about guarantees of the rights of Karabakh Armenians but they themselves showy keep down the rest of Armenians in Baku with relish, call to cut their ears off and throw stones at them� It is spoken about equal rights of Armenians of the future Karabakh but they themselves have trials regarding insults of honor and dignity with suppositions that someone had Armenian ancestors. Tused of defending everyone, including Armenians, arm our enemies with information. But I will tell you a simple recipe: do not violate the rights of people and enemies would have nothing to say. And one more thing: it is the third millennium now and even the strongest and strictest censor can not cover the information. It is spread by the emigrating Armenians, Jewish people and those Russians who were deprived of their apartments but who were promised new ones by the courts as soon as "Karabakh is liberated". Hundreds of foreign journalists, diplomats, scientists working in our country are not blind and deaf either and they publish hundreds of articles and reports. To fight, that is to fight by ourselves when one must meet real bullets wants neither of the leadership, the opposition, "patrking in our country are not blind and deaf either and they publish hundreds of articles and reports. To fight, that is to fight by ourselves when one must meet real bullets wants neither of the leadership, the opposition, "patriots", refugees, journalists�Then what is the matter? We have to reconcile, that is to make a compromise with the enemy. But for a politician of "Karabakh formation on the 1988-1993 model this is something such as death. That is why they either imitate the negotiations or prefer to keep them completely secret... The main idea of "people's diplomacy" is the belief that peoples do not have to be responsible for the steps made by politicians and soldiers regarding the conflict but they do have to be responsible for the fate of peace. The people having this belief are, as a rule, people that do not have high ranks but those who have non-formal authority including press which is "the fourth power". I think this is also clear for the head of Yerevan press club who made a reserve that the club "is ready to assist the business visits of Armenian journalists to Azerbaijan and Azerbaijani colleagues to Armenia". If it is ready that what that demarche was for?.. Where the official talks have skidded for nine years, there is no alternative except "people's diplomacy". So, my colleagues, do not put your suitcases away". There is nothing to add to Zeynalov's words. The honesty of the intelligent man, worried with the present rulers' policy that is a way to a dead-end, raises hopes that there really are people in Azerbaijan to whom we can extend our hand fearlessly being not afraid that it might be cut off. PanARMENIAN Network Analytic Service

robo

Violet, you're right it has gotten out of hand.. hopefully everyone will work with me like today and point out all the ridiculous people, and I will start banning people if necessary.. I filter a lot of the Turks/Azeri's today.. from now on ridiculous talk will be warned then banned... but I need everyones help.

Well, laterly I have been reading the discussion board on your web site and all I read is "pathetic little guys" cussing each other out and putting down each others family. What kind of webmaster are you? Can't you ban people from cussing .... I know they have freedom of speech but how do you think it reflects on us "Armenians" when an outsider comes and visits this site? I really dont know what you guys are thinking! This site use to be good and part of it still is except the "discussion board." Well, hopefully I will see some improvements in the future if not oh well what can I say!

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It was just a test.

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i actually changed a bit to: a href="mailto:hytga@yahoo.com?subject=Winamp Skin">hytga@yahoo.com at the begginging and at the end......... but it was still better than nothing. thanks

i actually changed a bit to: hytga@yahoo.com ......... but it was still better than nothing. thanks

http://www.ararat-the-movie.com

http:www//ararat-the-movie.com

You welcome any time. Did that piece of code worked out for you?

i did it so that they wont be looking at the funny buttons when reading about the genocide or looking at the pictures. by the way Art thanks for your opinion

this url http://geocities.com/thegenocides/ takes the hole window instead of being viewd in main frame. Overall is good.

Art you are right i made it for visiotrs. and i personally get annoyed when pages open new window, so i thought it's better off like that

I know you are using frames and you have to many frames. I chacked you scripts. No meter which browser are you using for frames as long Netscape 3.0 and over or IE 4.0 and over. "April 24" flash files open up in same window. And you made the web site for visitors, I think, and I was a visitor and it was my appinion, and you asked for my appinion. But if it's fine for you it's totaly fine with me.

by the way Art it's best viewed with ie 5.5 with resolution 1024 by 768 pixels. at leas that's what i use and it doesn't look so dizzy.

Art don't you miss tale a little? lol

Art i use frames. what browzer do you use? what do you mean they link the same window? it's supposed to open the page on the right frame. does it open it on the same frame as the flash is in? .............. wooops too many questions at once. .......... Art those uneducated people need to learn not to talk with mistakes. especially with mistakes like that.

I forgot to tell you, your flash file links shares the same window with your pages. you can modify you flash files and point the target to new window, so it will launch new window instead of using same window.

No "n" after < and > signes

As long you are on yahoo's public site, you can't use any executable files. Such as CGI or PHP. But I can suggest to you to use following. You can put your e-mail address as a link. When user will click on link it will pop up their default e-mail compouser. To make such a link you got to do following. <n;a href="mailto:myaccount@whotever.com">n;myaccount@whotever. com<n;/a>n; sines. this will help you to make it heppened.

Sorry, I meant programming language.

Robo most turkish documents are misinterpreted and most of them don't have idea about id. Like tale was talking only about ASALA but I'm quite sure he didn't have idea about "gray wolves", which is turkish terrorist. So don't take to close. Negative emotions are dangerous, so try to avoid them...................It's cool, but dizzy, there are to many thing are going on, try to user your site efficient as much as possible. I wrote this message wile I was on my Linux box, I'll get back to you once I'll switch to windows.

to that turkish someone. what do you mean maybe? you doubt that it ever happened? or you are too ashamed for your ancestors and can't admit it happened?

by the way Art thanks. and if you got the time you might wanna check it out yourself. here's the url. http://hop.to/mywebsite. if that doesn't work try http://geocities.com/hytga

Hi Art. i'm using english. most people don't have the right fonts, so i thought it'd be better in english. i'm thinking aobut opening the armenian version of my site, but i'm not sure if i'll have the time for it.

Hi Robo, I didn't check chatroom for long time, was very busy. Ok, what lenguage are you using for your website? Let me know, I'll see what I can do for you.

Art or Webmaster. i need help with my webiste. i'm trying to allow my users to be able to send me email with attachment. but i don't want to open the outlook express or anything. i want to use a smtp i can specify or something like that. ....................... i wan't to do that so that they can submit winamp skins (armenian style) they made. if you can come up with a solution i'd really appreciate that. thanks. bye

maybe you personally love armenians, but your ancestors sure didn't, even though armenains fought for them. that's how unthakful they were. they killed the people who used to fight for them.

what is your problem???why you hate from turks...??we are not bad people!!� am a turk....� love all people...the europe not important for us.....ok maybe turks killed a lot of armenians but armenians must thing the good things......hey armenians do you know??a lot of armenian died on ottoman for ottoman empire..they killed a lot of christian with us on ottoman....what is 'yeniceri'??do you know?yeniceri was ottoman soldiar....do you know??%45 ottoman soldiar was armenian....we lived very goog things with armenians....belive me.....maybe now..the armenians hate from us..yes you are right....but we turks can say 'we hate greeks'....but we cant say ..we hate armenians..because..a lot of armenian hero died for ottoman....belive me.....we hate kurds and greeks...really...but we can love you again....thank you...sorry my english not very well....my name is tahsin..age:15...m....bye

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barev bolorin. es qani ory chei karum kamputrs miacnei, baits verjy stacvec. el inch asem lav egeq

BAREV BOLOR LAV HAYERIN

artav_general@hotmail.com

I'm pracitsing my English. :)

UREN BOLORE INCHI CHAT CHEN MTNUM XOSANK

artav-general@hotmail.com

ha moraca asem. axr verevum graca ArmenianChat, inchi enq angleren xosum?

Dropped by to say hi. My classes are ok Art thanks.

If we don't understand common thing we are going to appear in same situation like Afganistan. And we are not far from tham, thanks to spurk Armenia survives.

Webmaster, I read some of Frankyforfingers' posts, he is using bad language for what you need to worn him for firs time and I will suport you in that, we have to teach to respect others.............and to Robo, how's you classes are going?

Webmaster it's been a while since i last checked out the other board, but if it's like what was going on this board then yea you should. whoever they are they should learn to respect our nation and our culture, if they don't then why should we respect them?

Art/Robo, What do you guys think of banning people like Morphious and Frankyforfingers from the other board. They're obviously little kids trying to stir things up, but once they hit that annoying level it hurts the whole community. Ban them or leave them?

Mr., we have not deleted anyone for anything. We are just removing Turk posts and posts that contain bad language.

hey you guys the administration of this chat is not good, because if one of the administrator didn't like that you are using nick name that somebody else used it before they kick out you from the chat. that is not the right way to do business and it could be managed by one person not with ten administrator.

Last Modified: Tuesday, 29-Sep-98 22:09:53 GMT On the Trail of Turkey's Terrorist Grey Wolves......................http://www.ozgurluk.org/mhp/stor y33.html

Massmurder in Kahramanmaras In 1978, the Turkish fascist state initiated a pogrom against Alevi-muslims all over Turkey. All over Turkey, Grey Wolves murdered hundreds of people. The place where the most people Massmurder in Kahramanmaras In 1978, the Turkish fascist state initiated a pogrom against Alevi-muslims all over Turkey. All over Turkey, Grey Wolves murdered hundreds of people. The place where the most people were killed was Kahramanmaras. The repression and criminalisation of Alevi-muslims in Turkey, continous also in the present time..........there are images where turkes did massacre.......http://www.ozgurluk.org/ramazan/alewi.html
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Turkish Fascism The MHP and the Grey Wolves and its role in Turkish politics "A great loss to the political life of Turkey." Demirel about the death of the Nazi-sympathiser and former leader of the fascist MHP and its Grey Wolves, Turkes The quote above from the President from Turkey, shows the importance of the Grey Wolves and the MHP for the political powers in Turkey. The importance of these fascists and it's power in Turkey are described also in our pages: Turkey: Contra-Guerrilla-state They are the main participants in the dirty war in Turkey against the Kurdish nationalist movement and the democratic-, human rights- and socialists movements and individuals in Turkey..............http://www.ozgurluk.org/mhp/
Art
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That writer was Miakovsky!
Art
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Robo you are right. And you know what,there was a russian writer who sad "razdioneh polsat, letat ne smozjet". That are azeries. But I don't care anymore, they born to lie.
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Art when you're right. one time i read in an azeri forum a very funny message. azeris were trying to proove that the land they live in always was azeri. so one smart guy wrote (and he didn't really wrote it, it was from some book about azeri history) that shumer were the ancestors of azeris and that amazons where their allys and later amazons became mixed witve in always was azeri. so one smart guy wrote (and he didn't really wrote it, it was from some book about azeri history) that shumer were the ancestors of azeris and that amazons where their allys and later amazons became mixed with their "nation" and with albanians so they became azeri. i couldn't believe how pathetic those people got to proove that they are right. i was wondering about one thing they claim that their ancestors are albanians, shumer, amazon etc. but they never said that their ancestors were assirians. after all it sounds more like azeri than the other ones, but for some reazon they don't make that claim. and i've said it to them many times. the reason i figured is they pic on dead nations and tie their "history" with them, but there are still few assirian villages in Armenia and they probably arae aaaafraid and are aware that everyone knows that assirians have nothing to do with azeris except that they sound like each other.
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Robo you didn't miss much, it's same turk-azeries bowlshit. You know! They are scared of Armenians and today they pretend they are italian. You know, like some psychos pretend, they are Napoleon or Hitler. Azeriez today somehow become Italians or they claim Albanians are their ancestors, which is ridicules. In other word they are all sort of shit, but human being.
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I hear a lot of sweet talk here *sarcastic* Cann't you all Armenians get along? Do you prefer other nations make fun of you? Learn to respect each other..there aren't many of us left.
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Art thanks for offering. by the way what happened here? i don't have enough time to visit the site too often and i misss things.
robo
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Webmaster can you delete my messages too?
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learn to good talk
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Robo if you have any practical questions feel free to ask.
Art
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yes programming logic. i'm not at university yet. i havn't decided where to go from college.
robo
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Robo are you at University?
Art
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End ask your parents to teach you to love other armenias, nometer where they were born. I'm from Armenia.
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Wow, what a statment anush. Your name instedof being Anush it suppose to be Rud. No wonder that you refer me as beirutsy, furst of all you are showing your poor education about respecting others. Second there is no distiongtion among armenians. Your should analise what are u saing. If you don't understand about music ask someone who has knowlage about music, beirutsy, furst of all you are showing your poor education about respecting others. Second there is no distiongtion among armenians. Your should analise what are u saing. If you don't understand about music ask someone who has knowlage about music, so thay can teach you. Regards Art.
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Good. Logic of programming?
Art
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and learning binary, hex, octal etc.
robo
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Art i'm steel learning programming. although this semester my classess aren't so concetrated on programming as on logic.
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i just read what art wrote about tatoul saying how his music is considered turkish and how rabiz music is trash. art its just for fun you dont have to like it or listen to it or degrade it. maybe ur the one who doesnt understand armenian music because armenian music isnt for berutsiz
anush
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TERRORISM There are known to be small groups of some terrorist organisations in Azerbaijan but they do not carry out activities in the country. There have been no terrorist incidents in recent years.................http://www.fco.gov.uk/travel/countryad vice.asp?AZ
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When you see those hyphens above Y's etc, most of the time that out activities in the country. There have been no terrorist incidents in recent years.................http://www.fco.gov.uk/travel/countryad vice.asp?AZ
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When you see those hyphens above Y's etc, most of the time that is coming from Turkey... it's there settings on their keyboards/Text... i'm deleting that message...
Webmaster
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You fackhead are italian or kurd?
Art
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To webmaster: What is the main programming language that you are using? And what type of database?
Art
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Alokov if you got Kiso's PM respond to it ASAP.
Art
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I was able to see the image, but all of them have dark hair.
Art
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ALIKOV IF YOU GOT MY PRIVATE MESSAGE PLEASE LET ME KNOW SOON AS POSSBLE!
Kiso Avetisyan
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ALIKOV IF YOU GOT MY PRIVATE MESSAGE PLEASE LET ME NO SOON AS POSSBLE!
Kiso Avetisyan
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That link wouldn't work.. it's pic number: 1050552IMG
Webmaster
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Art, remeber that post you made about Mushegh Saghatelian being arrested.... here's a picture I took of him, just so you can put a picture with the story, he's the guy with the dark hair: http://www.armenianchat.com/cgi-bin/imageFolio.cgi? action=view&link=Armenia&image=1050552IMG.jpg&img=48&tt=
Webmaster
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I have no idea what type of script are you using? There should be a site where you ca download.
Art
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Art, I think I can find a picpost type of script out there to install. If you know of one let me know and I can get it.
Webmaster
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Robo are you still learning programming?
Art
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Robo is right, you need to fix the link where it suppose to target. If you need some help for coding in order upload images let me know. And second do you have some storage for those images?
Art
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webmaster you need to fix the gallery. when i cliik on a picture it opens whole page instead of the current frame. it's pretty good.
robo
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It's ok, I was trying to worn it to webmaster.
Art
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sorry i didn't mean to mak you feel bad
robo
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I know that, i'm in this business five years, it's no news for me.
Art
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Robo bed news spreads much faster than any good news. And this assholes should know what they were doing. It's not kindergarden.
Art
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Art if someone wants to steasl your images they can do it even if there is a right click protection.
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it's sad that the country is in such anarchy but you don't know what the situation was. foreighn press tends to talk crap about other countries takin only one side, and talkin only good thngs aobut US taking only the side they want people to know. but overall i think that they shoudn't have killed that man.
robo
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What language is your software, is it PERL or C?
Art
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That's interesting regarding the Phogos guy. Classic example of how that country is run.
Art
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Art, that copyright protection message comes from the software itself, I haven't put that. Regarding posting your own images, I thought this sotware had that capability but it doesn't. I'm going to have to find another softwar that wi that copyright protection message comes from the software itself, I haven't put that. Regarding posting your own images, I thought this sotware had that capability but it doesn't. I'm going to have to find another softwar that will allow users to post their own images.
Webmaster
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STILL NO ARRESTS IN ARMENIAN CAFE DEATH To date, 50 people, including members of President Robert Kocharian's bodyguard, have been questioned in connection with death in a Yerevan cafe on 25 September of an Armenian from southern Georgia, Poghos Poghosian, Armenian agencies quoted Prosecutor-General Aram Tamazian as telling journalists in Yerevan on 8 November. But no one has been arrested and charged with Poghosian's killing. It is widely believed that Kocharian's bodyguards assaulted Poghosian after he directed insulting remarks at the president, who was visiting the cafe that evening together with French singer Charles Aznavour (see "RFE/RL Newsline," 27 September and 2 and 9 October 2001). LF
Art
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How do you post your images?
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To webmaster. I like it and might I will post my images too. But you had right click protection and it dosen't work, I mean if enyone wants to steal you imges thay will do. Here is the url one of the images........http://www.armenianchat.com/gallery/Industry/1 050524IMG.jpg
Art
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Annoucement: We've created our Gallery page. We've started with the pictures we have now. We will constantly be adding them. If visitors have pics they'd like to share we'll soon ad an email address to send pics to.
Webmaster
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I think overall they're doing a good job with Afghan, however on the big picture of things, terrorism is ubiquitous, it will be very difficult to stop. We're going to see some rough times ahead with the economy, no one knows if we get another attack or not, but at least we all know action is being taken. The best part of it is it's a global coalition. Pretty much the whole world is working against them.
Webmaster
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i would love to write to alikov. please provide your email address.
Kiso Avetisyan
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Well, this war became more global then americas war, because major European countries got involved in it. And yesterday fall of Mazar-e Sharif it's a big breakthrough. But Pentagon doesn't know how long NA could holdon to that city. But it was one of the key element in this war. Anyhow, I like the strategy but it a little bit slow because of politicians. But better slowly but surly to hammer those guy down. To day bi Laden threatens to use Nuclear Weapons.
Art
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I think this chatroom became a good place and more educational for any age and idea. We should support to webmaster to make it more active and better environment for everybody. We need more open thoughts from our fellow armenians no meter what gender they belong to and their age. Lets have open talk in here, and maybe you will find the answers that you were looking for long time.
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afgans were fighting with moral and agresivness. i agree with webmaster the US was supporting afgans and gave them aid of more than 3 billion. but look at the tactic the us is now playing. it waits to see what gonna happen with others (france, italy etc) and then decide the power of afgans and act according the situation. it's gathering intelegence intelegence information too. but it's not sure how much power taliban has. it's been many years since afgan war and afgans had a lot of time to sell narcotics and arm themselves. but one thing that i don't understand is how freely americans act in afganistan and it seems like things couldn't be better. what don u think afgans are doing? making it look as they are not as powerful and waiting for the US troops to go there so they will kill a lot of them or taliban is really falling apart?
robo
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We have our Calendar of Events section getting active. Want to remind people that anyone can post Events on that section, if you hear of an Armenian event go ahead and post for all of us to know. Click above on the Calendar of Events button.
Webmaster
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PenPal section has been created!!! Fellow Armenians join the penpal section and let's make friends throughout the world!! Click the PenPal link above.
Webmaster
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Yes, I need to do that.. I had some interesting pictures from my last trip to Armenia I wanted to start with then allow people to contribute to the picture forum...
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Opponents of Robert Kocharian are accusing the Armenian president of getting too economically dependent on Russia. By Ara Tadevosian in Yerevan (CRS No. 104, 6-Nov-01) Opponents of President Kocharian fear a debt repayment deal concluded with Russia late last month will give Moscow far too much influence over the running of the country's economy. Critics of the Kocharian administration say the debt-for-equity swap, agreed at a meeting between the president and his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin in Yerevan on September 14-15, could end up scaring away Western investors...............http://iwpr.vs4.cerbernet.co.uk/inde x.pl?archive/cau/cau_200110_104_1_eng.txt
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To webmaster. What is holding you to finish the gallery?
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You are right. First we need to get rid of the shade forces, that among us. We need some one who can pull everything together. 70 year armenians in armenia learned how to steal, that was and is the way of life. You sad you bin in Yerevan, how howmany people you see jaywalking? I bet 50% dose. If we don't respect very common rules, I don't expect that nation to grow fast. Yes we are lucky that there are financial add for armenia otherwise long time ago we were selling our country or giving it to rent.
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Armenia is pretty much at the worst it can get. The only thing that revolves the economy is External money flowing in for the families from Russia and the US. We almost need a revolution in Armenia... Too many of our leaders are incompetent shoe shiners of the past, that never get enough of stealing. Unfortunately that Zeal we had in the past for an Independent Armenia is gone, many have fled the country and tiered of suffering under the faith of such weak and corrupt government. Many things need to be changed, but many forces work against change.
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In any war human life los is evident. There is no argument about that, but to try to minimize it, it's other. We should be ready for war any time 24/7/365-366, no doubt about that. We don't have reliable neibours. Georgians they will do everything to save their ass, they are chickeshit. The history approved it. Everytime armenia fought against aggressors, Georgia stood back and watch, but didn't help. But when they need help armenia helped them aggressively. The only time I'm thankful them, when was earthquake. They are the first ones who came to help. America had strong economy and steal able to hold on. But how long? How long armenia can survive. That time no one will stay in armenia. That time we need to put adds in LA Time classified or post a banner "Armenia for sale".
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The time I was serving in USSR army Soviet Union was fighting and I had friends who fought that war. Afghanis were fighting more aggressively to defend their county, no meter how much money america spend on them. It was their war. For them it was life and death, but for USSR aggression. And they lost the war, you pull your army when you can't fight anymore. That means you couldn't win the war, if you couldn't win the opposite of wining is loosing. And they lost the war. It can't be other option. I agree with in one point that we can't put down our moral but not aggression. Moral and aggressive they are totally different words. Our solders have to have high moral and they should know we support them and our government will do everything for our victory.
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No doubt but these are all the consequences of life. America could do nothing about this, it has to go to war and accordingly suffer economic pain. Obviously eventually lose life also. But all current actions are for future advancement. I personally don't really care for more land in Karabgh really. I think our energies could be much well organized if we place them on Social and economic gains. However, I also think that neither side will really fight. Azeri already looks like it will make havey concessions, it a matter of our end not pushing that envelope too heavily.
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Wy I'm going far? To day america calling other nations to help him to fight afghanistan. Germany will send 3900 men power, Italy will send navy with 2700 marinas and france sending 200 men. Now who afraid whom? It's second month America not sending any troop on the ground. They have only some hundred special forces on the ground. Are they afraid? Yes, america don't want to lose the war and doesn't want to lose any human life, but even though they know they will lose some people out there, but steal they trying to minimize it. Do you remember before going to war? They were trying to estimate Afghanistan's power and how it's possible to defeat them. And bytheway they are defending their country. Look the economy, it goes down day by day, even though this is the superpower country in the world. How's you business? I believe your, business is slow too. So that is my point. Do we see the war? No, but we feel the consequences.
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The below are all bets and gambles you take when negotiating. It's the same if you take the Lets make peace stance, each strategy has it's outcome. Most definitely the underlying intent is Peace.
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Art I disagree, no one is praying for war but the smell of fear of war itself is not good on the bargaining table. I'm not saying let's spit at them and say let's fight not at all. But they also need to have the perception that we are not scared of war. Regarding Afghanistan they didn't really Win, Russia pulled out during a period when the Soviet Union was collapsing and Afghan wasn't alone, America funded over 3billion dollars to them or else they would of been annihilated. Same with Vietnam Russia supported them Heavily during Americas conflict. Yes, Obviously Turkey will fully support Azeri, however they will not be as aggressively involved on the forefront as a russia would with Armenia.
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You are wrong again no one is intimidating. Keeping moral high and approaching to problems wisly, this is the way of victory, but not aggression or being aggressive. The same Russia lost the war to Afghanistan, when then Russia has the men power and the USSR was one of the superpowers. But they underestimated afghan people. There was no match as economically and militarily, but that is fact that Russia lost the war. Same happened to USA/Vietnam war. America was superpower but couldn't defeat Vietnam. God forbidden, if we go to war and start loosing the war, that aggressiveness will slowly disappear among solders and they will start panicking. But if we start using intelligence and have good strategy than we will win. And don't forget they if Russia helping us than turkey is helping them. Today Gorgia is ally of turkey. Do you have the guaranty that turkey is not going to help them with weapons and military personas or advisers. So don't prey for war. We already have plenty of orphans and every one is fleeing the country because of economy. How many percent of armenians want war? How many percent will go back to armenia to fight? This are major issues. It's not to stress that we what war, we need to look all aspects of war. To defend our country there shouldn't be a ward, we need to fight for our country.
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Vazgen Sarkisian and Demerjian were 10X better than the clowns we have in office. Serj Sarkissian is one of the most corrupt of them all. He controls Gas imports into Armenia, and several other of our main Commodities, which he basically taxes on a personal level. They are trying to set him up to become the next Pres. but the people in General don't like him. Many know of his Shady practices. The whole current government needs to be wiped out. They basically took power by the killings they commited against the previous leaders.
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Vazgen Sarkisian was morei influential than any of those (i think so) but you can't tell who is more vonorable
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Art, Russia doesn't fight directly but ends up doing most of the Air Sortes during a battles. We get full latest technology supplies, etc. etc. it's as good as Russia fighting. Also to accomplish peace we need to be prepared and mentally agressive towards war. We can't be intimidated by loss of lives. It's unfortunate but that's the way the world works.
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It's sed that we have weak politicians. Kocharians is number 4 and Serge Sargssyan number 5.
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CNA Brief Newsline /22:47 08.11.2001/ Ajarian leader Aslan Abashidze more influential that the Azeri President Heydar Aliyev, Russian lawmaker thinks Moscow, November 8, 2001. (CNA). The rating of the most influential politicians of the Southern Caucasus published on GazetaSNG.ru news and analysis channel caused resonance among the Russian experts and politicians. The most part of comments covers the "Georgian part of the rating. Most of the Russian experts consider that the position of the Georgian president is "exaggerated", while the Georgian leader is loosing its influence in Georgia, and in the Southern Caucasus as a whole. Meantime, the influence of the Ajarian leader Aslan Abashidze, which takes in the rating the second position after the Azeri president Heydar Aliyev, is growing significantly. The member of the Russian State Duma’s Committee for CIS, deputy Georgiy Tikhonov did not share this opinion. In his interview to GazetaSNG.ru he presented his version of the rating of the Southern Caucasian politicians. According to him, Aslan Abashidze is the most influential person in Southern Caucasus. The Azeri President Heydar Aliyev takes the second place, Abkhaz president Vladislav Ardzinba - the third place, president of Armenia Robert Kocharian is the fourth, then come Armenian Defence Minister Serge Sargssyan and ex-speaker of the Georgian parliament Zurab Zhvania. The Last one in the list suggested by Tikhonov was Edward Shewardnadze. Two other candidacies Ramiz Mekhtiyev and Bardi Patarkatsishwily may not be included into this list at all, Tikhonov said. It should be reminded that the NNG Consulting Foundation and GazetaSNG news and analysis channel published on November 6 the results of the regular rating-research for determining the most influential politicians of Southern Caucasus. Researches are based on opinion of experts on Southern Caucasus, monitoring of Caucasian, Russian and foreign mass media as well as questioning of the population of Southern Caucasus region.
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Azeri president tells OSCE mediators urgent need to resolve Karabakh now Azerbaijani President Heydar Aliyev has told the OSCE Minsk Group cochairmen that the Karabakh conflict should be resolved now as there is a growing pro-war mood in Azerbaijan. He said that the world has changed following the 11 September terrorist acts in the USA, and the time is now ripe to resolve the conflict. However, the Azerbaijani president stressed that the sides should not be treated equally given that Armenia is the aggressor, and Azerbaijan the victim of this aggression. The following is the text of report by Azerbaijani TV on 5 November: ........to read full content go to link.........http://www.eurasianet.org/resource/azerbaijan/h ypermail/news/0019.shtml
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I don't agree with you webmaster, war is not hid and seek game. I don't want our guys dyeing out there. We need to avoid the war as mach as possible. Already our economy is suffering and it will hart more.
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One thing I know that Russia is not that stupid to go war against azerbaijan. They will supply arms to armenia, but they wouldn't participate. I don't know the number either, but that not much important then who well you armed and the strategy. Russia most definitely going to stay on Armenian/Turkish border. Like 19 century russian general sad "We need armenia without armenians". That is the policy today. They don't care about armenians they seek their own security, and I don't blame them. If we don't defend our selves no one will.
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hey. how you all doin? sorry i've been kinda buisy lately. by the way. during the karabakh war? what was the number of Armenan soldiers fighting and what was the number of azery soldiers? i don't know the exact numbers and i don't think i can give approximation. :-(
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A war against Azerbejian would be similar to the Afghan/USA war... Armenia will eat them alive!!! It's pretty funny actually, Russia is looking for an excuse to expand it's territory and Armenia would love to ride that wave. I look forward to seeing Azeri's try to start a war. But they won't.
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New, That's a joke.... Azeri/Turks can get all the recruits they dream of.. but it won't be enough When Russia throws 15K pound bombs on them...
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" If war starts Armenia will not be able to defend itself as it seems that Azerbaijan will have huge number of recruits"- Greg Paul, American politician.
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Actually, he was also the Minister of the Prison system.. I'm sure he's not having too hard of a time in there right now ; )
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Art, I've had dinner with Mushegh Saghatelian many times... he is close friends with people I work with in Armenia. He is well known throughout the Armenian Circle and actually is known as one of the guys that never got rich off the government. Many people would turn to him for advice etc. He is one of the most OutSpoken people against the government. This is just another classic corrupt governments effort to quite the people.
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...AS RUSSIA THREATENS TO WITHHOLD NUCLEAR FUEL The Russian government has officially notified Armenia that it will suspend supplies of nuclear fuel for Medzamor pending repayment of Yerevan's $16 million debt, according to the independent daily "Azg" on 13 January as cited by Groong. The Armenian parliament ratified in April 1999 a $20.6 million loan from Russia intended to finance purchases of Russian nuclear fuel for Medzamor. Armenian Energy Minister Karen Galustian was scheduled to travel to Moscow on 16 January for talks both on fuel supplies for Medzamor and Yerevan's $14.7 million debt to Moscow for gas supplies. It is not known whether Armenia's debts were discussed in the course of the 15 January telephone conversation between Armenian President Robert Kocharian and his Russian counterpart Vladimir Putin. LF
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24 October: Armenian Defense Minister Serge Sarkisian states that any attack on Nagorno Karabagh by Azerbaijan would lead to a massive and decisive Armenian reaction in defense of Karabagh that would "mark the beginning of Azerbaijan's final defeat." Sarkisian's statement is in reaction to the recent threats of military action by Azerbaijani President Geidar Aliyev. Armenian President Robert Kocharian also endorses the defense minister's comments, adding that Azerbaijan should not mistake Armenian willingness for dialogue as a sign of weakness.
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15 October: Interior Ministry departmental chief Mushegh Saghatelian is arrested by police in Yerevan and charged with perjury, using false documents, and other lesser offenses related to his efforts to fabricate evidence and testimony against President Kocharian and Defense Minister Serge Sarkisian in the October 1999 attack on the parliament. Officials allege that the Interior Ministry official attempted to coerce and bribe potential witnesses into providing false evidence to the investigatory officials handling the case.
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11 October: In comments to a group of Azerbaijani journalists visiting Yerevan, Defense Minister Serge Sarkisian declares that Armenia will act as a "guarantor of security for Nagorno Karabagh." Sarkisian adds that although Armenia's annual defense budget is only $70 million, or roughly half that of Azerbaijan's, the Armenian military is highly trained and combat ready.
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Here is another article makes firm statement how inportant armenia for rassia in that reagon........ ARMENIA - RUSSIA'S STRATEGIC PARTNER IN THE CAUCASUS Armenia is Russia's main strategic partner in Transcaucasia, therefore the first visit of the Russian head of state to that country "is of special significance for Russian policies in the region." A statement to this effect was made for RIA Novosti by Sergei Prikhodko, deputy chief of the Russian president's administration. According to Prikhodko, the Nagorny Karabakh problem (Nagorny Karabakh is an Armenian enclave in Azerbaijan) was one of the themes discussed at today's Yerevan talks between Vladimir Putin and Armenia's president Robert Kocharyan. Russia's stand on this issue remains invariable: Moscow is ready to support a Nagorny Karabakh settlement plan which would be drawn up by both parties to the conflict - Armenia and Azerbaijan, Prikhodko stressed. The presidents also touched on issues related to the Collective Security Treaty of the Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS). In Prikhodko's words, Russia is satisfied with the role Armenia is playing in strengthening this Treaty. Presidents Putin and Kocharyan will also discuss struggle against international terrorism, particularly as part of the two countries' interaction within the framework of the CIS anti-terrorist centre. They are also going to dwell on issues devoted to the CIS countries' development as a whole. Military cooperation may also be prominent at the talks, since Russia has its military base in Armenia, said Prikhodko. The Kremlin spokesman described Russo-Armenian relations as relations "with a high level or trust and mutual understanding."..........the url is...........http://english.pravda.ru/cis/2001/09/15/15245.h tml
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webmaster uniting and being allys is different things. Israel is an ally of US, but not it's part. as long as they are partners it doesn't matter. urssia wants to armenia to unite with it so that it can control armenia. it is not sure if the next leadership that comes to power will lean to west more or not, so it wants to get hold of armenia, in other words in the long term it is not suitable for teh national interests of armenians. but if we want to be allys we can be without it. like israel with US, or turkey with US. they are not part of US are tehy? not but they are still partners in almost every sphere.
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http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/am.html
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I know why USA supports Turkey and Israel. Turkey was and is strategic key element for America, during cold war and in middle east from east. Militarily, Turkey has the largest army in europe. Israel is the second strategic key in middle east from west. I know that the Jewish lobby is the biggest lobby and their lobby was supporting to wave 907. But here is the case, who wants' Armenia unite with Russia? Communist party in armenia. So, I hate communists, if they come to power again they will destroy armenia one more time. I value the time and know some military strategies. Being a part of Russia or not, our location still going to be very important for russia. Lest put this way, if russia launches a missile to Turkey, it can be destroyed in Gorgia, because turkey helping Georgians, and they become allies, so the best shut is armenia And armenia is one of the countries who has the best militarily educated officers. Still I need clear evidence not guessing, what is going to happened to armenia.
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Art, regarding your other post about why USA stands behind Turkey and Israel.. it's actually pretty simple. 1. Turkey with one of the largest Militaries in Europe second to Russia was the perfect ally to have during the cold war, they were right on Russia's door step. 2. Israel, is a bit unique.. several reasons, a. Israel has a strong lobby in the US, something like 30% of the Democratic party is Jewish, etc. etc. Also, America liked the thought of having a force within the middle east countering the Arabs, this part might of also played against them. The US might of been better off being allies with the middle east as they were to israel but who can tell. There's also the flip side, yes there are some moderate Muslims, but in general in the Muslim countries in the middle east they do Hate america and Christianity in general... so not sure if they would of been a good ally. Remember we're generalizing here, there are always many many reasons why things happen the way they do. Anyhow, that is why the US has had specific allies, and that is why we need to realize that and unite ourselves to the best one also. Imagine this, you think israel has progressed just on their own, it's been the great support from the US. Now think wouldn't you like to have some sort of Partner that would support you through these times or in the future? Ok besides that, i'm a little Drunk so bare with me : )
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Art, I couldn't get these new URLS's you posted.... I keep getting errors. Anyhow, regarding a possible union, it's all about playing your cards right at the right moment! Politics, Economics, Security, all of it is just like making a business decision. Obviously there are many social aspects etc. but at the core you need to see what your most advantageous step is at the soonest possible time. We are of no interest to the USA today. We were just a flea to bother Russia with or for Oil issues! Our Barron, desolate land fortunately has one major importance, it is a key and critical location for Russia, that gives us great value to them and we will be taken care of accordingly. Just like America makes it's decision who to help and proper globally. Everything is relative, countries (US, Europe)won't help you for your pretty blue eyes. Russia took very good care of Armenia during it's communist regime. It was one of the best taken care of territories due to it's importance as a Knowledge base. We were always a critical territory for Russia. Russia is advancing fast, and they have a solid leader with the necessary power to succeed. They're currently one of the fastest growing economies in the world, (yes due to oil)but they are making enormous stride to grow economically and stabilize the government. Global policy is changing very fast, these next few years will determine how the world will playout in the next 50 years. Russia is no longer an enemy of the USA but soon could become one of the most formidable allies. Russia and the US may become the largest Merger in history! or maybe not. But Armenia has to make a decision on what road to travel on. What cards to bet on. Like I mentioned in my previous posts all Current Leadership will fight this Unification possibility, they have no interest for it. They will all be thrown out eventually. But don't forget we will be an autonomous country. This is something similar to a Nafta but with stronger military unification.
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More news about Armenian - Russian, Byelarus Union..........PRIME MINISTER OPPOSES UNION WITH RUSSIA Prime Minister Andranik Markaryan has expressed opposition to Armenia's membership in the Union of Byelarus and Russia, saying it won't ease Armenia's relations with other states. He has also dismissed reports of a cooling in Armenian-Russian relations triggered by Russia's absence in the privatization of the Armenian power grid system...........http://www.glasnostonline.org/news_en/2001/ may/19/10.html
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Here is more article about that union.................http://www.eurasianet.org/resource/arm enia/hypermail/200004/0034.html
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Politics and prostitution are same. We will never know what is behind it. I don't understand how come Israel and Turkey can have America standing behind them so strong economically and militarily, but Armenia has to come a union in order to partnership. I don't blame Russia, they are doing smart move. But even in that statement is not clear what is the roll of armenia. How are we going to have our independence. I want to see armenia strong ally for Russian and vise versa, but not union. And they need to bring some light on that issue, what drives them to be union. Anyway everything what they agree on, it will be on paper. There are number of issues, are armenians going to serve that "Union" army, how it will effect that on our economy, what about the global market and so fort. I meant it's not just "I want Armenia and Russia be United". There are global issues that we are not aware of.
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Regarding our discussion earlier about Armenia and it's treaty with Russia. I think we can't come to conclusions on what exactly the treaty is. It's more to benefit us Economically and militarily. They don't want to take over our internal policies. We need to look at it in a more Realistic fashion than take the idealistic approach. We need to understand life today is a matter of Partnerships, who you unite with and work with, is all a matter of a countries future advancement...
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Violet, I totally agree with you. The more strict the parents are the worse of the girls usually get. Same with boys, etc. etc.. it's all about open communiation within the family. Glad to hear you also went to the exhibit at Getty that was totally cool!
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to Armenian_Beauty. I seems you come here first time and it's not fare just making that kind of statement. You are not a judge for this chatroom, any one is welcome when they have reasonable argument, if any one going to tolerate, they need to be removed. And bytheway they were removed because of the hatred.
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We have decided to remove offensive Turk/Azeri posts from our chatroom. It was a good debate while it lasted, and now we want to move ahead in a positive light. We will delete every Azeri post that comes in with an argumentative attitude from now on. SORRY TURKS/AZERI's!! If they want to post logical discussion they can do so on our other board.
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people should have no right kicking people when there is no foul language present and no fighting present i think your armenian chat should with @in front of there nicks should be chosen wisely. i think this is unacceptable if people are kicking eachother off with no reason whats so ever you will be losing members i hope this message will not be deleted its for everyone own good please take this message seriously its for your own good thank you
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Armenian Secret Army for the Liberation of Armenia (ASALA).............http://web.nps.navy.mil/~library/tgp/arm enian.htm
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Basically guys don't wont to use girls as toys. They use them for their sexual desire, once they satisfied that's it. We should look at things strait and name them by name. Only open conversation will help our youngsters do write decisions. Boys and girls need open talk, not playing around. Love is sex. Than it converts to respect and care of both gender. I sad it before and will say it now, parents fail to be open to their children. Both need explanation about the real world and also need knowledge of their body. What I say here may be absurd for some people, that is reality.
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I also like to make a comment on Armenians ladies now a days...well, basically most but not all have lost control of themselves. Some parents think if they keep their girls on check and be strict with them then they should turn out well. The truth of the matter is the more strict parents are with their daughters the more they will be corrupted once they are given the freedom. Since most are not able to get out much they dont know what to do once they do get out. They are naive and dont know how to handle situation and therefore guys can take advantage of them. What I say is that if the girl is stupid enough to let a guy do what he pleases with her then all the power to him. Girls have to be more tough and stand up for what they believe so that guys wont be able to use them as toys. This is not to say that all guys use girls but some percentage do.
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Tommy, I read your message and I have been to the Getty recently, and I was so suprise to see what they had on display about the Armenians. I never in my wildest dream thought that I could go to a museum here in the U.S. and see anything on Armenians. It gave me a sense of pride to see it. I was there and reading the displays next to the postings and this people were passing by and they were like "can you read it and do you understand it" I was like yes I can. They were so amazed. If anyone wants to go see it, they should it will be there until sometime mid December, if I'm not mistaken.
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GOOD TIME TO SETTLE KARABAKH CONFLICT: U.S. OSCE GROUP CO-CHAIRMAN Now is an extremely good time to settle the Karabakh conflict, said Rudolf Perina, U.S. co-chairman of the OSCE Minsk group for Karabakh settlement, as he sat in conference with Sheikh Allah-Shukiur Pasha-zadeh, head of the Muslim Board for the Caucasus. There are ample prospects to settle the conflict as the involved parties are ready to meet each other halfway, remarked Mr. Perina. With his goodwill, Sheikh Allah-Shukiur can help to thwart another Karabakh warfare, said Vyacheslav Trubnikov, Russia's Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs, who was attending the conference. He asked the Sheikh to bless efforts by Minsk group co-chairmen of the Organisation for Security and Cooperation in Europe. Sheikh Allah-Shukiur Pasha-zadeh is eager to see the conflict settled by peaceful means, he reassured. Karabakh settlement will lead the agenda as he meets with His Beatitude Gareghin II, Catholicos of All Armenians, in Moscow, added the Muslim leader. To be mediated by His Beatitude Alexis II, Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia, the conference is scheduled between November 10 and 20.
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I agree with you Robo, it seems we are loosing grip. All we need is radical changes, even $300 to $350 million dollars are enough to do smart business. This guys in armenia, they are sold persons. I know they can do business without being a union. Like I sad in my previous message, we are going back to our dark history. Part of Byzantine, part of Rom, part of Persia, part of turkey and Russia and now back again. This asshols don't have courage to make changes. They love living in misery. They can't live without bribery or corruption. I am very disappointed about that idiotic decision that armenia is going to do. Armenia nowadays suck. They give up, it's better for them to sale our girls in Persia, turkey, Dubai and other arabic country even to US. I wish I can fuck those ministers and reach people daughters and wife's in front of them so they can experience the pain, that they are cosign to our nation. They sold the nation and brought the nation to misery. They deserve death execution nothing else.
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i don't htink it is a good idea. if they want they can do tax free business without it. i think it is the edge loosing our nationality. if we want to be good partners we can be without it. the current situation in armenia is done by major world powers like Russia and US. althou russa helps us and has it's military bases for our security, it's just making sure it got a good hold in caucasus. and the current bad economic situation may be part of it's campaign. israel survives b ecause of huge economic help by US. and it's jewish community in US. compared to armenia that gets less than 300 million help a year israel gets at least 3 billion.sure it got a good hold in caucasus. and the current bad economic situation may be part of it's campaign. israel survives b ecause of huge economic help by US. and it's jewish community in US. compared to armenia that gets less than 300 million help a year israel gets at least 3 billion.
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Art, Yes, Yes... that's exactly what i'm reffering to. Thanks for that Link.. Let's place it again here for people to read: http://english.pravda.ru/cis/2001/08/01/11516.html .
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Webmaster is this what you were refering to?..........ail 16:22 2001-08-01 ARMENIA MAY JOIN THE UNION OF RUSSIA AND BELARUS ..................... Vice-Premier Viktor Khristenko admits the possibility that Armenia may join the Treaty on the Union State of Russia and Belarus. Speaking at the Wednesday Internet press conference, the vice-premier said that the treaty mentions the possibility of admitting other members. But this should not damage the interests of the aspiring country and treaty members, Khristenko pointed out. He said Russia would like new members to join the Eurasian union of Russia, Belarus, Kazakhstan and Tajikistan. Moldova has been displaying interest in the idea. Khristenko believes this would give a considerable economic boost to the CIS countries members of the Eurasian union. Its charter stipulates tax-free trade and free movement of commodities between the member countries........the url to that article........http://english.pravda.ru/cis/2001/08/01/11516 .html
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That's interesting stuff about Armenia/Russia... i'd like to hear more details on how something like what would work if it did go through...
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Robo, They gathered 70,000 votes last year in Armenia in favor of uniting with Russia. There are rumors now that they have gathered 400K votes this year. Recently Putin was in Armenia for a meeting. No one really knows the purpose of this meeting, i'm not eluding it's for this purpose but he stayed in Armenia for 3 days, which is a long time for the Russian leader.
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In my opinion it goes beyond the idealism of an independent state with politics, we will still have all that, you will still have your own president, and ministers, and make your own laws etc., however, it will be a sort of independent state of russia. In my opinion it's beyond the issue of a great free Armenia, it's more of a political and future advancement decision. We have potentially one of the Richest and one day most successful countries as our Neighbor, Russia. To take a decision to unite ourselves with them is more like doing a partnership agreement with Microsoft and ride the wave. I feel we have made wrong decisions in our past history by wanting our independence and eventually paying the price. We are a tiny nation, surrounded by Muslim extremists on every corner, that was our demise in the past, and by taking proper steps we can not only insure our protection but advance economically as well....
Webmaster
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I don't think it will be good idea to become part of any antion. We, armenians need our independent country, need goo politics and to understand one thing, that we can dipend on ourselves. We don't need to be come some one toy again. I can't understend one thing why we don't try hard to make our home better, instead we are asking our naiboure to rull our home. I can't understand that ideology. How Israil can survive and we can't? That will be shame if we go for it, what we going to tell our generation. That is sad.
Art
USA -
i don't think so russia united with belarus because they are historically the same.
robo
USA -
There are talks in Armenia to turn Armenia into an independent state of Russia. Similar to the situation US has with Puerto Rico, or Russia has with Belarus. In my opinion it will be a very advantageous situation, however it's obvious the current leadership will try to fight this with all their means. They would obviously lose some powers. However, it could be the best thing that could ever happen to Armenia in my opinion.
Webmaster
USA -
The economy slow world wide. I hope it will picup soon. Till thay don't kill bin Ladin and get readom Antrax the economy will stragle. We were moving to slowmotion of economy but the 9.11 cause big harm.
Art
USA -
Focus on adolescent sexual health................. For most of their lives young people in Armenia have received a message that sex is hidden and something not to be talked about. Family and community usually tend to enforce strict rules about young people's sexual behaviour. By Armenian 'moral norms', a woman should be a virgin until she marries, and female sexuality outside marriage is forbidden. But urbanization, exposure to foreign cultures through migration, tourism and mass media, and changes in the standard of living, have contributed to a change in the attitudes of young people towards sexuality and reproductive rights.......this is kind of explenation why all this happening in armenian comunity. And here is the url if you want to read restof it......http://www.ippf.org/regions/europe/choices/v28n1/arm enian.htm
Art
USA -
Robo bbq is one of the examples, there are many such examples. But the key to success is communication between parend and cildren and spanding valuble time with family. Don't think bbq only, think global. And you are wrong if we can't make a difference. The thing is who much we wont to do it and who. There is nothing inposible, it needs dedicaton and consistance.
Art
USA -
blood ..blood ..blood..what is this enmity...turks hate from armenians..armenians dont like turks...kurds dont like armenians and turks...what is this enmity...most important thing is 'love and peace'..the life time is goin..ooopppssss..turks killed a lot of armenians..ok but you are saying this since 1915...ok...we europe dont forget the past ...the ottoman.....you were very well friend with turks..had a lot of armenian on ottoman empire...you are saying lie.... english people ...italian people...german people..americans..we dont belive your lies...maybe turks and kurds kill the armenians on 1915..but why did you be one with turks on 1041 on anatolia seljuk empire....you could be one with bishans empire....but you wanted to be with them.....now..please dont cry to europe....like a idiot guy....thank u
a world person
peace land(uk leeds) -
The economy is hurting real bad. I hope many Armenians in the Jewlery industry can pull through. It's going to be tough. But that's a normal trend in that industry you can say....
Webmaster
USA -
Robo, you're totally right communications is the key these days within families and our own community. It's also much easier these days with all the Cable channels and the internet.
Webmaster
USA -
well art it is not just about barbiquing, but it is a good idea if anyone comes to this chatroom, although i feel that most of todays parents don't surf the net (armo). as the Webmaster said the tragedy is that people come here to find out what they should do instead of their parents. but since this chat was created i thik more people sould come and share ideas. find out the answers for their questions here if they can't find out them any other way. i don't think we can change anything by just talking to each other (altho it is great to share ideas with you guys) we've shared ideas and i think we have similar opinions. if more people would come and share opinions then something would be changed.
robo
USA -
hi im asdghig, h r u? im glad to be member on this site so if someone wants to chat with me this is my email:venusester@hotmail.com im fm leb. welcome & thanks
ASDGHIG <venusester@hotmail.com>
beirut, lebanon -
Yes we can make bbq with our children, the question is do we do that. How many parent did you see spending time bbqing with thair children? Well, majority doesn't. If we want to chit ourselves and say every thing fin, it will work too, but how long?
Art
USA -
why don't we spend more time barbiquing with our children? (although i don't have any children) i'm a little young for that.
robo
USA -
waaaaaaaaaassssssssaaaaaaaapppp ench pessek! i wanna give shoutouts to all those armenian niggaz out there. yes betke ertam bye!
Steve Stepanian <lilthug88@msn.com>
troy, MI USA -
Intermarrieg out of 100 maby 10 will have strong family and strong ralationship. Most of them will suffer, and the thing is those, who are on that discussion board are teenagers. This is the moste dangurace part, that their mother's don't talk to thair doughters, or simply they fail. If they spand more time with their children insteadof drinking cooffy with naighbours, I bet thay will not ask other teenagers for advise. We all know experians is the key. Because of the failur child and peront communications, later childeren become narcomans, criminals and prostitutes, this are tough points but rality. And I think these will be the answer to your question Robo, about teenagers. It's very dilicate question, but this are the major causes. It's not their fould, that is our failur. Insteadof spending time for barbeq we can spend more valuble time with our children.
Art
USA -
Hey everything is fine! We are one nation and if we wont we can make a difference. It's really a pleasure to talk to you guys.
Art
USA -
Art and Webmaster i totally agree with you althou i feel that Art has misunderstood me in some cases, but generally i think we share similar opinions. it is great to talk and share opinions with you guys.
robo
USA -
about culture
l�sa <hloveangle@yahoo.com>
�stanbul, turkey -
Cool it's working ; )
Webmaster
USA -
To webmaster. I checked the codeing. it should be after "\, than it will work, you put it in the wrong spot.
Art
USA -
The discussion on the other board about intermarriage, those girls don't know what they're talking about I have 2 friends one is Married to a white girl 6 years now 2 kids he's a great guy, makes good money takes care of the family with all his heart: One day the girl wakes up and tell the guy Honey I don't love you anymore and I want to leave you! The armenian guy flips out, saying what the hell let's work it out this and that.. but nothing, they are leaving each other now. His final comment, Classic intermarriage your other races aren't going to have the same commitment to the family as are the armenian man and women. Now Obviously there are also many intermarriages that work, but we're just saying in general both Armenian men and women should work hard in find love in our own race. To the girls, I assure you that you will not find a man that will stay commited with you longer that an armenian man.
Webmaster
USA -
Speaking about our girls, they are great women in general. And for a moment to speak about our Men, I've been all over the world from many Asian countries, to South and Central America and I have not seen a man that is a wonderful father, home keeper, family supporter as the Armenian Man. Both our Males and Females should be proud of our Heritage and keep strong ties together.
Webmaster
USA -
Robo, I do feel we would be headed in a brighter future with Vasgen in office. Every and any leader that steps into office in Armenia will Steal, the good part with Demerjian and Sarkissian they were in office for a long time and their tummies were already full. They were really working towards moving the country forward, Vasgen constantly went on Economic Missions globally, he was instituting a separate Judicial body to take care of all Foreign Investors to save them from Corruption etc. etc.( which never came through after his death) The current problem in Armenia is, we don't have any good replacements anymore. Basically the current leaders have wiped out any true opposition and are sitting pretty. Our hopes lie with Patience and a strong tie with Russia. As Russia prospers we shall also reap benefits slowly.
Webmaster
USA -
Testing wrap=hard looks like it works with IE only....
Webnaster
USA -
Robo I don't want you to take personal. Here is not the case, one day you are going to have your one children and you will know what I'm tolking about. TV needs to sale somting and sex sales. Here is the botom line for marketing. We are the ones who is responsible for our children's future. There are many ways to do, but most parents don't care or to bussy.
Art
USA -
I complitly agree with you about TV for teens, specialy Disney chanel. It's like a porn chanel. Even it's discasting. The only one sulution that I have,you should stay as much close to your kids as posible. By who dose it? I, myself let my children whatch TLC, Dicover, Animal Planet and incooureging them to do some real cool thing for themselves. On weekend I take thame for mountain bicking, playing with tham and trying to be their best freind. And thay have a lot of friends also, but main key here is I have to be their best friend. None of thair friend has experians about life, most of their friends advise is going to be thaire failur, that is 80% right. I don' whant to take 20% chanssies. And I made sure thay got the best posible injoyment or tool to shape thair life. In terms of media that some one robb the bank, I don't give a fuck eather. But look around do you realy need a newspaper? Almost every 5th person got involved in frodual activities, credit card froud, mdical supply froud, racketiring in downtown L.A. on and on and on.... Do we really need a newspaper. NO. Look to armenia, isn't it same picture, 70 year we learned how to steal, that was our lifestile and I don't giva shit about others, we don't have time for tham now. Like I sad we need to take good from world, anything, to make our country better. To make our voices been heard in our country, then we need to get involved in some politicle grouip.
Art
USA -
Rob "Grit Agakanyan" was educated by Arthur Gregorian who is composer himself. It same if you had teacher for some kind of profession than you know what are you doing. And Grit his making jocks out of rabbi singers and their songs. And the market loves rabbi and he make rabbi. It's same as rap music. Have you ever try to listen to Strause, Bah or Deep Purple, Mozart or the Beetles, Mansurian and Tatevik Hovanesyan or Alla Tumanyan, the list can go on, but I don't won't write them down all. But rubiz singers don't have any musical education, and their music can't be piece of art, period. You can't see any good composer who doesn't have any musical education, come-on this is unarguable. Simplest thing, the world knows Givan but no one knows Aram Asatrian. I don't know if you got my point. Regarding girls, you need some psychology and philosophy books and it's really good thing if you can find time and read about that, I read my self. The girls start wondering about sex in their 12 years of age, but guys start wondering about sex in their 14 year of age, this means that girls start developing earlier than guys. Even if you take sam